'He killed girlfriend due to emotional pain', court told

[Dirty_Harri]

This thread makes me sick! wtf entertainment over!!!

Good call.

[Winston001]

Any female that inflicted the level of alleged violence on a guy, that this poor girl sustained, would be in for exactly the same comments as I am making now. This was not loss of control, resulting in a death. This was a systematic re-killing of a person.

The difference here is he is not using the alleged loss of control leading him to snap as a defense, he has pled guilty to a charge he is not facing. Judith Kerr is one very smart lady.

Maybe.

Be cautious of people who take on high-profile cases and run headline grabbing defences. My observation is they are mostly interested in their own ego and the publicity.

I can't see manslaughter succeeding here. The only argument is he says she attacked him first - yeah right!

[Marmoot]

I reckon he should claim self defence!

Temporary insanity is a better defense.

[tychver]

Maybe.

Be cautious of people who take on high-profile cases and run headline grabbing defences. My observation is they are mostly interested in their own ego and the publicity.

I can't see manslaughter succeeding here. The only argument is he says she attacked him first - yeah right!

There's a legal precedent in NZ for manslaughter if the killer was severley provoked, we glossed over it in LAWS101. But I think any evidence of premeditation, such as bringing the knife, would make it unavailible. Any judge who entertains this in regard to Weatherson should be shot. Accidentally killing the guy who was screwing your wife when you came home is a lot different to planning to stab your ex.

I don't like Judith Ablott Kerr much at all. She ran as a local MP for National, against convention of lawyers being uninvolved in govenment). Clearly all she's interested in is her self.

[Winston001]

There's a legal precedent in NZ for manslaughter if the killer was severley provoked, we glossed over it in LAWS101. But I think any evidence of premeditation, such as bringing the knife, would make it unavailible. Any judge who entertains this in regard to Weatherson should be shot. Accidentally killing the guy who was screwing your wife when you came home is a lot different to planning to stab your ex.

I don't like Judith Ablett-Kerr much at all. She ran as a local MP for National, against convention of lawyers being uninvolved in govenment). Clearly all she's interested in is her self.

Agreed. Manslaughter can be viewed as acting in a careless/dangerous/negligent manner so as to cause death. Which is why some fatal accidents are escalated to manslaughter charges.

Essentially Ablett-Kerr seems to be running provocation and/or self defence but since the guy brought a knife with him, that's a real stretch.

As for her.....I couldn't possibly comment....

[alanzs]

The sheer brutality of the murder should demand the harshest punishment available for this weak assed fucking murderer! Blaming the victim is beyond comprehension. FUCK HIM!!!!

[Badjelly]

The Law Commission has recommended abolishing the defence of provocation

http://www.nzlawyermagazine.co.nz/Ar...0/Default.aspx

Having served on a jury in a murder trial, I heartily agree.

[Winston001]

The Law Commission has recommended abolishing the defence of provocation

http://www.nzlawyermagazine.co.nz/Ar...0/Default.aspx

Having served on a jury in a murder trial, I heartily agree.

But...but..what about battered women's syndrome?? That's essentially provocation. What happens to that??

[alanzs]

The Law Commission has recommended abolishing the defence of provocation

http://www.nzlawyermagazine.co.nz/Ar...0/Default.aspx

Having served on a jury in a murder trial, I heartily agree.

That provocation is a defence makes a sham of the justice system.

[Badjelly]

But...but..what about battered women's syndrome?? That's essentially provocation. What happens to that??

There's some discussion of that in the article I linked to.

The defence of provocation tends to be used by the batterers more than the batterees.

[Badjelly]

That provocation is a defence makes a sham of the justice system.

I wouldn't go that far. Provocation is only a partial defence. A person who carries out a homicide under serious provocation is still guilty of a serious crime (manslaughter).

[PrincessBandit]

I wouldn't go that far. Provocation is only a partial defence. A person who carries out a homicide under serious provocation is still guilty of a serious crime (manslaughter).

Which is probably why the wily young man is angling for manslaughter. I was under the impression that manslaughter was essentially for something that resulted in death where there was no actual intention of that outcome. e.g. punching someone, knocking them to the ground, they hit their head and die as a result of the injury. In no way shape of form could this man remotely think that the continued injuries he was inflicting would result in anything other than the death of this woman.

[98tls]

This thread mirrors the problem of our society really,the facts are there for all to see but still theres a trial or as here a debate,this guy has no further reason to breathe and is no longer of any use to our society,just like a stray dog his misery could be ended painlessly and quietly with no fuss.My thoughts go to his victims family.

[Cheshire Cat]

[Tink]

This thread mirrors the problem of our society really,the facts are there for all to see but still theres a trial or as here a debate,this guy has no further reason to breathe and is no longer of any use to our society,just like a stray dog his misery could be ended painlessly and quietly with no fuss.My thoughts go to his victims family.

So the entertainment of news of this disgusting low life is over... I agree he has no further reason to breathe... and thoughts completely to the family.