The firearm thread

KREWZR · 28th June 2009, 22:06

After seeing the Police advisory and considering the appropriate legislation, I have decided to seek a judicial review on this matter. I am going to the High Court to get a declaratory judgement to the effect that the Police cannot classify a thumbhole buttstock as a military pattern free-standing pistol grip. Anyone who wishes to support my effort with any information, submissions, finanical assistance please email me directly at rlincoln@cit.net.nz

**Mr Merde** · 29th June 2009, 11:16

Originally Posted by KREWZR

After seeing the Police advisory and considering the appropriate legislation, I have decided to seek a judicial review on this matter. I am going to the High Court to get a declaratory judgement to the effect that the Police cannot classify a thumbhole buttstock as a military pattern free-standing pistol grip. Anyone who wishes to support my effort with any information, submissions, finanical assistance please email me directly at rlincoln@cit.net.nz

I never thought I would see this sort of action taken by anyone.

Its what should be done. If it is contrary to the law of the land then it should be challenged. Laws are bought into place to, hopefully, give boundaries to what can and cant be done. They are always buggerred by those who put their interpretation on what they feel was actually meant by the reason behind the law.

If you can get any sort of response to your questions I would be most interested.

Couple of questions.

1) Are you a shooter yourself?
2) Are you in the legal profession as this is how you come accross.

I await your response. If I feel that you are genuine then you will have my fullest support.

As i have said before in this thread, I have lived through the UK law changes nof the 1980's and 90's and saw those with all the best intentions fail through lack of universal support.

Kdeep me posted.

Chris

**Indiana_Jones** · 29th June 2009, 12:30

Originally Posted by Mr Merde

Kdeep me posted.

Chris

What he said.

-Indy

KREWZR · 29th June 2009, 12:46

I am not in the legal profession as such but I have considerable experience and have passed academic papers in law. It was one of my 'minor' subjects at University.

I have an A CAT license and I own and use one of the effected firearms (as stated in the advisory) an H&K SL8. I use that particular firearm for helishooting, thick bush hunting and target shooting. I am a law abiding responsible firearms users who has an E Cat safe and fully alarmed security. Since becoming aware of the "reclassification" I have removed the gas piston and rod from my SL8, thus converting it to a straight pull bolt action rifle (non-mssa). I have sent the gas piston and rod to an arms dealer for safe keeping.

The papers for filing for a judical review were filed today in the High Court at Palmerston North. I will start a website shortly to update all interested parties as things unfold.

Regards (or should that be rear-guards?)

Richard Lincoln
(Saving your butts since 2009)

**Indiana_Jones** · 29th June 2009, 12:48

Well Richard, if you make your fight well known to the public (firearm owners or not) I'm sure you will get a lot of support, from myself and others

-Indy

KREWZR · 29th June 2009, 15:09

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**Drunken Monkey** · 29th June 2009, 15:16

yay me! first to vote!

**The Pastor** · 29th June 2009, 15:53

Is there some sort of base letter we can send to our local MP? one that outlines the problem etc, im no good at writing much

**Mr Merde** · 29th June 2009, 20:26

Richard,

I am impressed.

Do you need to have to be affected by this change to apply for something similar?

I notice that you specifically mention the HK.

Could someone make application re all those stocks that are affected.

Government departments hate having the "law" used against them as they all assume that they are above such trivialities.

They make the law and they interpret them therefore they feel that they are above having to comply by them.

I'd send a letter to my MP but she doesnt care for her constituants in any way. "Crusher Collins" is the police minister and other posts.

Look at how she is representing the feelings of her constituants by supporting the Auckland suoer city when the majority in Papakura dont want anything to do with it.

**jono035** · 29th June 2009, 21:05

Originally Posted by Mr Merde

Do you need to have to be affected by this change to apply for something similar?

I notice that you specifically mention the HK.

Could someone make application re all those stocks that are affected.

I was noticing the same thing. The HK USC is another listed and is a gun that I would dearly like to own but also seems to fall further on the side of free-standing pistol grip than thumbhole stock.

What I'd most like to see, obviously, is the change reversed completely, even for the Dragunov style ones as I severely doubt that it will do anything. The only thing that makes sense in the E-cat criteria is mag size though... If someone wanted to add a bayonet, they could just use duct tape and hose-clamps.