Settling Maori claims. Someone explain.

[jrandom]

That's fine...and no I can still comment and happy to be knocked down...

If you see your role in discussion as that of providing an uninformed foil to those who know what they're talking about, I shall happily let you continue your work.

[Grahameeboy]

I was speaking in current dollars.

The considerations paid for the land confiscations were nonexistent or laughable. Adjusted for inflation, the confiscations were and are indeed worth billions.



O RLY? Well, that's all right, then. Your incisive arguments are, as always, compelling.

Cool...............

[Grahameeboy]

If you see your role in discussion as that of providing an uninformed foil to those who know what they're talking about, I shall happily let you continue your work.

Informed is so overrated......

[Grahameeboy]

Let go eh. Tell that to the Irish regarding Oliver Cromwell, the Scots regarding the Clearances, the people of the Balkans who variously still love/revile Vlad the Impaler from the 15th century! Grievances from Vlads day played out directly in the Serbian/Croatian/Bosnian war which took place in the 1990s. 500 years later.

Go back even further to the Diaspora when the Romans expelled the Jews from Palestine in 300AD. That was finally dealt with in 1948.

Sometimes history and culture come together to heal wrongs. We can only try.

I don't recall the Irish seek compensation...I just think we forget to be human sometimes.....so guess the Maori are lucky all things considered....many trips to Scotland and they seem to have moved on....

[Morcs]

The Treaty settlements have had no negative impact on non-maori. What's the problem?

Bullshit. WHat about poor farmers who have to give up their land, because some maori decided he was related to some chief 7 generations ago.

[oldrider]

..who knows what would have happend if Europeans had not moved here??

Think about it!

Most of the part blood "Maori", demanding we go away would not be here either!

They seem to think that they would be someone else of full Maori blood!

Conception is quite infinite, if all of the specific ingredients are not there at that instance in time it's curtains, it will never happen again.

The so called Maori part breeds complaining, would be nothing more than a wank, a wet dream or a menstrual flush, never to be seen again!

If "we" were not here, "they" would not be here, that is something quite incomprehensible to them, it seems.

[BMWST?]

seriuos injustices have been done.Its right that we attempt to put thing right.We signed a treaty to offer the protection of the crown,and the statistics quoted earlier surley prove there is something ammiss in our society.When the first english settlers arrived they relied on the Maori to survive.We could have killed and enslaved them all,as they could have of the first settlers.We agreed not to so now must try to put thing right.There is a process in place to end the claims.I am proud the we are pushing this process through.No other country can demonstrate a process to try to integrate two cultures.Its not perfect.....what is?

[jrandom]

Bullshit. WHat about poor farmers who have to give up their land...

Do you know any 'poor farmers who have had to give up their land'?

I bet you don't.

And that would be because the settlements have come from the Crown, which, if it didn't already own the land, had to purchase it at market rates.

Stop and think before posting, eh?

[bsasuper]

Sure give a bit of land back, the foreshore and seabed should not count here though as this is everybody's.Give some land back, but they must give back everything us whites introduced, eg, cars, money, mobile phones, playstations,social security,then leave them to it.OR they can live how they want now with all the toys, free education etc, and stop asking for more

[2_SL0]

The Treaty settlements have had no negative impact on non-maori. What's the problem?

You dont think they create a resentment towards Maori?
You dont feel that often the settlements benefit the few rather than the greater?

[Skyryder]

Personally I don't believe they should have done that!

It was just creating another festering sore!

A circus to rev up on demand to divert attention from selective serious issues, that's Labour's way!

Labour was afraid that the Courts would rule in Maori favour. National have the same fear, that is why they are going for a negotiated settlement.

What both parties fail to see is that Maori would need to prove ownership for them to have any kind of claim. From what I understand this would be difficult to prove by any legal means

Labour removed the right for the court to adjucate on this issue.

National have opted to negotiate with Maori when no legal ownership has ever been established of ownership of foreshore and seabed

Key has effectivley placed millions of dollars of taxpayer money at risk by way of compensation to Maori when ownership has never been established

And some on here wonder why I am so hostile to this man.


Skyryder

[MSTRS:Me]

... land is better with the Maori in many respects.

Maybe things have changed?
A bit before I had any interest in any of this process, but wasn't there a wonderful golf course at Raglan...

[Dave Lobster]

You dont think they create a resentment towards Maori?
You dont feel that often the settlements benefit the few rather than the greater?

Even if the claims were halted tomorrow, there'd be something else instead.

Some people in life (not necessarily maoris, but some of them are a good local example) love playing the 'victim'. Always after something for nothing. Be it cash, sympathy, whatever.. there's always something.

[Solly]

Think about it!

Most of the part blood "Maori", demanding we go away would not be here either!

They seem to think that they would be someone else of full Maori blood!

Conception is quite infinite, if all of the specific ingredients are not there at that instance in time it's curtains, it will never happen again.

The so called Maori part breads complaining, would be nothing more than a wank, a wet dream or a menstrual flush, never to be seen again!

If "we" were not here, "they" would not be here, that is something quite incomprehensible to them, it seems.

Hahahaha!!!

Have another read of what you have wrote............

You are saying that, had the European not arrived, there would be no "part breeds" to claim anything.
Soooooo.....what you are REALLY saying is that part maori are also part something else...European then??.....so we are all getting some benifet from any payouts....
...........seems to me It's a classic case of Dr Seuss's "Star Belly Sneeches"

On another note.......Just to put you right Grahameeboy.....In one of your previous threads [correct me if I'm wrong]...I think you were referring to the Morioris (you spelt it differently) as being here before the Maori.......they were NOT....as simple as that.

[AD345]

You dont think they create a resentment towards Maori?
You dont feel that often the settlements benefit the few rather than the greater?

Resentment is created by those who resent - not those who are resented.

There are a myriad of taxpayer funded initiatives that benefit the few - breast cancer screening, sports funding, the entire mental health and disability sector....it would fill several pages to even begin to list them all.