Settling Maori claims. Someone explain.

[Finn]

First off I'm not fucken racist!

So do you not agree that contraception should be added to KFC?

[jrandom]

So do you not agree with contraception being added to KFC?

Wouldn't bother those of us who've had our vasectomies already.

Om nom nom nom!

Actually, if it really were possible for fried chicken to be an effective contraceptive, surely KFC would instantly gain about 93% market share?

[Bonez]

Wouldn't bother those of us who've had our vasectomies already.

Om nom nom nom!

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm, moa burgers....................

[popelli]

so according to some people on this thread anybody who questions the waitangi treaty process or is not 100% pro treaty is by default anti maori and a racist

these sort of attitudes do not foster intelligent discussion of issues

[Bonez]

I believe that items such as air waves which were not known or conceived to be in existence at the time and thus no provision was made for in the treaty should belong to the crown. Note that the crown does represent us all including Maori thus your ideal of all getting on with each other is so much closer than if 2 (or more) classes of citizen are created. Ditto such things as the sea bed and foreshore unless "specifically" envisioned and covered by the treaty..

Here's translations and drafts of the original-

http://www.treatyofwaitangi.net.nz/L...geResponse.htm

Interesting read.

[Jantar]

so according to some people on this thread anybody who questions the waitangi treaty process or is not 100% pro treaty is by default anti maori and a racist

these sort of attitudes do not foster intelligent discussion of issues

Unfortunately, racism will continue to flourish in New Zealand for as long as it is enshrined in our laws. It is only when every mention of race of any kind is removed from our legislation that racism will have any chance of dying out. This means that ever time the words "Maori, Pakeha, European, Somoan, Tongan" etc appear, they should be replaced with the single term "Person".

One law for all, one voice for all.

[steve_t]

Unfortunately, racism will continue to flourish in New Zealand for as long as it is enshrined in our laws. It is only when every mention of race of any kind is removed from our legislation that racism will have any chance of dying out. This means that ever time the words "Maori, Pakeha, European, Somoan, Tongan" etc appear, they should be replaced with the single term "Person".

One law for all, one voice for all.

That makes too much sense... what then would people complain about?

[Deano]

That makes too much sense... what then would people complain about?

Ahh the irony of that emoticon. 2 different coloured people bitchslapping each other in a never ending, no win fight.

[Quasievil]

First off I'm not fucken racist! Even though I may have the gall to ask questions.

I believe that land illegally confiscated should be returned.
I believe that items such as air waves which were not known or conceived to be in existence at the time and thus no provision was made for in the treaty should belong to the crown. Note that the crown does represent us all including Maori thus your ideal of all getting on with each other is so much closer than if 2 (or more) classes of citizen are created. Ditto such things as the sea bed and foreshore unless "specifically" envisioned and covered by the treaty.

I would be happy for you to expand further upon how "we" have caused Maori to be over represented in crime. You levelled an accusation, then when questioned or rebuttal was offered declined to substantiate it. This helps your position not a whit.

Now that covers off a part of the discussion raised in this thread. I am happy to clarify my view on any other points.
It should also be noted that NONE of the above is racist and none of it is an opinion cast in stone. However I would hope for a better rebuttal than "you're racist".

I just didn't understand your post is what I meant.

I didn't call you a racists and I dont believe I called anyone a racist infact I dont think I was the originator of the words racists or redneck in this entire thread. But there is alot of typical bag the Maori crap on this thread which is typically redneck B.S though I doubt half of it is actually meant.

I agree entirely with your comments above also.

And I Stick completely to everything I have said...............completely!! and to reiterate my whole point, if the Courts said that Maori are entitled to bring the Foreshore and seabed issue to court then they fucking have the right to, end of story, period, job done..............if they get anything fine, if they dont fine, you wont see me getting upset about it or even raising a eyebrow cause I dont care, its process baby thats what is happening here in NZ and we should be happy about it.

What I wont tolerate in N.Z is Anti Maori blah blah blah which seems like a second language amongst so many in this country, if that labels you (which it dont) or anyone else as a redneck racist, it was not me that labelled you thats for sure.

But I dont intend getting worked up about this shit on KB its KB for fuck sake, me and everyone else is on a soap box debating a lot of shit which will end in no conclusion as always but thats my view and take it or leave it.

Now I need to find where I said that "we have caused Maori to be over represented in crime cause I dont recall saying that.

love you

[The Stranger:Me]

Here's translations and drafts of the original-

http://www.treatyofwaitangi.net.nz/L...geResponse.htm

Interesting read.

FARK!
Dare I ask, are you aware of a rebuttal to that?

[Winston001]

Not trying to make personal cracks, but it seems like as soon as someone disagrees with what you say in this topic you just label them racist rednecks, which tends to turn people sour

Actually I think the only supporter here of Maori who used that term was Hospitalfood.

A few pages back I posted issues which bring Maori into disrespect. No-one called that racist.

The real misunderstanding is to see this as being about race. It's not. The Treaty process, Maori renaissance, and political activism, these are all about cultural survival. Maori are numerically and economically a minority. If they don't step up.....they'll disappear.


And we will all be the poorer for that.

[Solly]

Soooooooooo......do we have an answer to the origional question yet????

[Mr Merde]

Soooooooooo......do we have an answer to the origional question yet????

Did you expect one? I didnt.

From what i have seen here on KB in this post is exactly what has been posted in so many threads previously.

Its exactly what happens outside of KB also.

Lots of posturing. Lots of people labelling anyone who doesnt agree with their viewpoint, as either racist or redneck.

Valid points on both sides but both pretty much refusing to acknowledge the others view.

A few people comming out with sound ideas but getting drowned out by the noise from the opposing viewpoints.

Pathetic isnt it.

Chris

[The Stranger:Me]

Did you expect one? I didnt.

From what i have seen here on KB in this post is exactly what has been posted in so many threads previously.

Its exactly what happens outside of KB also.

Lots of posturing. Lots of people labelling anyone who doesnt agree with their viewpoint, as either racist or redneck.

Valid points on both sides but both pretty much refusing to acknowledge the others view.

A few people comming out with sound ideas but getting drowned out by the noise from the opposing viewpoints.

Pathetic isnt it.

Chris

I'd be quite happy if this is what happens outside of KB also.
I know I have learnt a lot. I don't see the gaining of knowledge as pathetic.

If people disagree then agree to disagree that is a damn good start. Who knows, in time they may begin to agree.

[Molly]

Did you expect one? I didnt.

From what i have seen here on KB in this post is exactly what has been posted in so many threads previously.

Its exactly what happens outside of KB also.

Lots of posturing. Lots of people labelling anyone who doesnt agree with their viewpoint, as either racist or redneck.

Valid points on both sides but both pretty much refusing to acknowledge the others view.

A few people comming out with sound ideas but getting drowned out by the noise from the opposing viewpoints.

Pathetic isnt it.

Chris

Well, it's been insightful but not in the way I'd expected. It does seem that 'settlement' (whatever that is taken to mean) is like an open sore. If nothing else, at least the Kiwis seem to handle the matter with a measure of openness and honesty absent from similar discussions in some countries I can think of.