King Canute returns

[James Deuce]

Jeez, are you really that insecure? Or are you just 15 years old?

I have a mental age of 15 months.

It's a giggle watching all the "Green Pontification".

The reality is, not that anyone will agree, is that to reach an 80% reduction in "greenhouse gas" emissions means your lifestyle, that's you, as in your lifestyle, will need to revert to the following.

1. Use no electricity.
2. Consume no packaged food.
3. Own no vehicles.
4. Burn no fuels for heating that are carbon sinks.
5. Go nowhere that you cannot walk.
5. Wear no synthetic clothing.

Typically, Westerners who are "Green" want their cake too. Sorry, you have to ditch the cake to make a significant impact of human greenhouse gas emissions. Which are a tiny, tiny fraction of what the Mid-Atlantic trench spews out. But lets not let fact get in the way. No, its all our fault. It couldn't possibly be that western governments have tapped the vein of Catholic guilt that runs through our culture and has no expression since the failure of Catholicism within that society, could it? It couldn;t possibly be that that guilt can be manipulated to increase tax takes, could it?

With the proposals those eggholes are putting forward, people will die. Mostly kids and old people.

[Big Dave]

I'm humble. And I'm very good at it.

[rainman]

Glug, glug, glug.

You can almost hear those penguins weeping.

Y'know Finn, being a grown-up means taking responsibility for your own actions.

Possibly too big a message for a sulking climate change denier though. Ah well.

[Badjelly]

Sorry, you have to ditch the cake to make a significant impact of human greenhouse gas emissions. Which are a tiny, tiny fraction of what the Mid-Atlantic trench spews out.

WTF?

[Finn]

It impresses the rubbish men, though. "Look at all this recyclable stuff in the rubbish bag. That must be Finn, the rebel without a clue."

You clearly haven't seen my rubbish men. They couldn't put all those words together in one sentence. Nor do I believe they are at all interested in the environment given the only thing on their mind is their next rape.

This reminds me of when I was a child in suburbia. Every Christmas, we used to leave a couple of bottles of Double Brown beer on our rubbish bin for boys. I thought this was a very kind gesture but I later learned from my father that it was not so much about thanking them for their service to the community but more a bribe to stop the fuckers smashing our bin.

[James Deuce]

WTF?

The mid-Atlantic trench spews out more C02 in a year than mankind has in its existence.

[rainman]

The reality is, not that anyone will agree, is that to reach an 80% reduction in "greenhouse gas" emissions means your lifestyle, that's you, as in your lifestyle, will need to revert to the following.

1. Use no electricity.
2. Consume no packaged food.
3. Own no vehicles.
4. Burn no fuels for heating that are carbon sinks.
5. Go nowhere that you cannot walk.
5. Wear no synthetic clothing.

I don't dispute that major changes are required. (Don't agree with all of yours, though - in NZ, #1 is less of an issue, for a simple example). But what is the alternative? "Fuck future generations, it's too hard?" Man up, I'd say.

Typically, Westerners who are "Green" want their cake too.

Too true. Some of us are starting to work towards changes, though. And yes it isn't easy, or probably close to effective enough. But it beats apathy, and denial is just so immature.

Which are a tiny, tiny fraction of what the Mid-Atlantic trench spews out.

NZ's, or the worlds? If the latter, got any science to back that up? Or, care to explain why the increases in CO2 levels correlate nicely with the industrial age, when the geological processes (volcanos etc) have been operating on a longer time scale?

[James Deuce]

Y'know Finn, being a grown-up means taking responsibility for your own actions.

Possibly too big a message for a sulking climate change denier though. Ah well.

How is labelling someone with an emotive term who doesn't agree not infantile?

Climate change is one of those things that has happened from the moment the planet aggregated an atmosphere. Organisms have modified the climate from the time they evolved or were invented, depending on how credible you like your fairy tales.

The only current difference is the Human organism's overweening hubris.

[Badjelly]

Mrs Jelly and I have a couple of miniature dachshund puppies called Lucy and Finn. Finn is the male (obviously) but very soft and smoochy, not very adventurous, a bit of a sook and (I hate to say it) not all that bright. His sister runs rings around him. The names were Mrs Jelly's idea and I didn't have the heart to tell her about the other Finn, the Kiwibiker blowhard.

So every time I see a post from you, Finn, I think of a small furry puppy who wants to be a real dog some day.

[Finn]

The reality is, not that anyone will agree, is that to reach an 80% reduction in "greenhouse gas" emissions means your lifestyle, that's you, as in your lifestyle, will need to revert to the following.

1. Use no electricity.
2. Consume no packaged food.
3. Own no vehicles.
4. Burn no fuels for heating that are carbon sinks.
5. Go nowhere that you cannot walk.
5. Wear no synthetic clothing..

That's because the great unwashedemployed (I just made that word up) are conveniently using the the green movement to create a world of equals. Now there's a term for this but it's lost me at the moment.

As you can see from Rainman's post, he put his greater cause before the environment. All he had to do was keep his trap shut and the penguins would have enjoyed their weekend.

[Badjelly]

How is labelling someone with an emotive term who doesn't agree not infantile?

Emotive language on Kiwibiker? Surely not!

Climate change is one of those things that has happened from the moment the planet aggregated an atmosphere. Organisms have modified the climate from the time they evolved or were invented, depending on how credible you like your fairy tales.

Indeed.

The only current difference is the Human organism's overweening hubris.

And our ability to take a large fraction of the carbon that's been removed from the system over the last few hundred million years and burn it in a few centuries.

But what was that about the Mid-Atlantic trench?

[Deano]

The mid-Atlantic trench spews out more C02 in a year than mankind has in its existence.

We should fill the fecker with all of our waste. That'll fix it.

The world's largest land (sea) fill.

[Finn]

Mrs Jelly and I have a couple of miniature dachshund puppies called Lucy and Finn. Finn is the male (obviously) but very soft and smoochy, not very adventurous, a bit of a sook and (I hate to say it) not all that bright. His sister runs rings around him.

You just wait until little Finn's balls develop, then it'll be lil Lucy's ring that gets the run around. He'll sort the bitch out.

Funnily enough, my dog is called Finn too.

[rainman]

How is labelling someone with an emotive term who doesn't agree not infantile?

You are right, it is. But insulting Finn is too much fun.

Climate change is one of those things that has happened from the moment the planet aggregated an atmosphere.

And that is a great strawman. The debate, as you well know, is about exceptional climate change, induced by human activities, and above the natural baseline. Actually, it was - to quote Obama from your linked article:

The science is clear and conclusive and the impacts can no longer be ignored.

[Finn]

But insulting Finn is too much fun.

When are you going to start?