New format for clubmans.

[wharfy]

I think you are kind of missing the point of Clubmans racing.
Surely Clubmans is for people who are just starting out racing, or for riders that are just out for some fun on uncompetitive equipment.

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Yep it is great to find out if you want to race without spending a lot of dough.
The idea of the VMCC format is you can run any bike you like as long as you don't go under 1:18 more than a couple of times.

No championship points is to stop people lurking there when they should be somewhere else. I think the Vic club have got it pretty much right.

[KS34]

[QUOTE=Sonykid;1129299195

I would much rather have a great 3 bike battle at the back of the F1 feild than be running around in first or second, 15 seconds from another bike in Clubmans. But for the mean time I just need to keep working on the race craft.[/QUOTE]

Good on you! I personally think racecraft has been largely put aside and it becomes a pissing contest for alot of racers. I learnt alot with the season I did on my old 600 in clubmans. Too many guys blame the bike or the setup instead of putting their heads down and finding out what they are doing on the bike and how they can change mentally to go faster.

[mossy1200]

Proper class, PROPER CLASS ! I'm still working on my race craft thanks. G.

Not all need to be in it for points but to some its a motivation to compete before moving up classes and surely thats what we are after.
I choose not to do clubmans and go straight into posties having never raced before because it was a class that i thought I might do ok in as a beginner and have had podium finishes every meeting including all the rookie meetings with a second overall by only one point in that year.Only having done two track days.
nothing wrong with it still being entry level and a place for not so recent comp bikes.The guys doing it for fun are not going to care about the points and those with 1999rsvs are.Is there harm in that.if you race f1 or 2 and want to sell your 3year machine this is where the market would be.Carry over the two year max rule and its still great to push people up the line to the higher classes.I cant think that the competitive guys would want to remain in clubmans any longer than that if they are fast enough.

[sinfull]

Ya get championship points in F2 ??? Where are mine then aye aye aye ? Awwww (goes and sits at the back again)
Ok all the talking in the world aint gonna fix nothing !
Sooooo, What needs fixing ?
From my seat, it looks to me like club racing is alive and well ! Why fuck with it ! (unless it's to allow more ppl to try racing ! Oh wait we have clubmans for that huh ?)
Way i see it is, if ya want to race your bike, you can !
It's the nats that are lacking in grid sizes !
Don't know if i can help there lol 115% rule will have me racing in C/M's ! Oh wait there wasn't any C/M at the last Nationals meet i went to !!!
Soooo i didn't race at the nationals !
Prolly wont this year either !
Might just have me another bourbon now !!!

[Skunk]

I don't want to sound negative but:

Clubmans bike run around the track with no champ points and no real purpose.
the guys in clubmans that want to show every meeting would surely rather have an overall championship to set their sites on.I may be wrong.

That's not what Clubmans is for. It's a place to get the skills then move on. That is why there are no points. That's why you're asked to leave the class when you reach race pace of a class you fit in.

Would it not make sence to split them into pre 2000 and after 2000 and give them champ points.

No. See above.

In my opinion this gives an entry level comp and sets the scene for slightly older f1 f2 f3 bikes to be sold into a hungry market.This brings new guy and gals in and alows for more affordable upgrades at the top end of the sport.
If the new classes become popular enough they will end up running two individual races(eg too many entries).That would be good aswell at some point in the future.

Slightly older bikes can run in this class - and be sold to a hungry market. A market of riders wanting to try their hand at racing.

At present running two classes would be a bad thing - there isn't time in the day...

[Deano]

I don't want to sound negative but:

That's not what Clubmans is for. It's a place to get the skills then move on. That is why there are no points. That's why you're asked to leave the class when you reach race pace of a class you fit in.
No. See above.

Slightly older bikes can run in this class - and be sold to a hungry market. A market of riders wanting to try their hand at racing.

At present running two classes would be a bad thing - there isn't time in the day...

Would'nt an age based category be a more logical approach rather than A and B which means what ? Beginner and burglar ?

I could have taken my CBR1000RR into Clubmans and burgled it I reckon - but fear of binning it canned that idea.

Given my road experience I thought a better option was an F3/PC Junior bike.

The above idea wouldn't require any more races, but a class within a race.

[Skunk]

Would'nt an age based category be a more logical approach rather than A and B which means what ? Beginner and burglar ?

I could have taken my CBR1000RR into Clubmans and burgled it I reckon - but fear of binning it canned that idea.

Given my road experience I thought a better option was an F3/PC Junior bike.

The above idea wouldn't require any more races, but a class within a race.

We had burglars. They disappeared real fast when points were dropped. They were riding to win without going too fast. Champions.
A vs B? I'm not really sure. They have different lap time limits though.
If you had gone into Clubmans on the CBR and whipped their arses you would have been asked to move on.

The idea would require and extra race in the context of the part I was answering -

If the new classes become popular enough they will end up running two individual races(eg too many entries).That would be good aswell at some point in the future.

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[Tony.OK]

Simple answers are available.............

1- Enter Clubbies on what ya got, see if ya enjoy it.

2- Enjoy it so much ya either race a class that allows your bike to compete, or buy a bike that is eligable, if ya liked it that much thats what you'll do anyway.

3- Not like racing enough that you'll commit to changing bikes to carry on, and be too proud to admit you are no ROSSI when mixing it up in a points class.

4- Realise that instead you can take your xxxxx model bike and go in the slow group at a trackday and puff out your chest

Sorry but its late and I feel like ass so my bad self comes out. But its the truth really.

If someone doesn't like the how their 2 door car is too small for a family.....................what do they do?.............buy something suitable.
Man thats a bad analogy.............I'm going to bed

[Deano]

We had burglars. They disappeared real fast when points were dropped. They were riding to win without going too fast. Champions.

I see what you mean mate. An instructor once said to us "if it was easy, everyone would be doing it" !!

[Skunk]

With you on that Tony.OK.

[sinfull]

What ? Bed ? Girls !

[sinfull]

Scary thing is, i know a kid (pre 14) that could outride me now !
What do i do ? Wait a year (or two) an throw him in clubmans at 14 ?
Or Or Or Orrrrr Maybe build myself a track ! Be parents call there !

Where would ya send talent to race pre MNZ ?

Well fuck, he has a MNZ LICENCE NOW but can't road race !!!

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[roogazza]

Not all need to be in it for points but to some its a motivation to compete before moving up classes and surely thats what we are after.
I choose not to do clubmans and go straight into posties having never raced before because it was a class that i thought I might do ok in as a beginner and have had podium finishes every meeting including all the rookie meetings with a second overall by only one point in that year.Only having done two track days.
nothing wrong with it still being entry level and a place for not so recent comp bikes.The guys doing it for fun are not going to care about the points and those with 1999rsvs are.Is there harm in that.if you race f1 or 2 and want to sell your 3year machine this is where the market would be.Carry over the two year max rule and its still great to push people up the line to the higher classes.I cant think that the competitive guys would want to remain in clubmans any longer than that if they are fast enough.

It was a piss take mossy, I'm not serious. I came out a couple of times for the fun of it.
By the way in the olden days we didn't have races like clubmans, you bought a bike and entered established classes. My first race was in about 1970 in the rain at Wanganui (in open production on a T350 Suzuki) as young 20 yr old !!!!!
I do remember some street meetings putting on the odd B grade race though.

ps these threads (and there's lots of them ) make the new generation look like a bunch of whingers , no wonder the sport is fucked. G.

[Wingnut]

ps these threads (and there's lots of them ) make the new generation look like a bunch of whingers , no wonder the sport is fucked. G.

Ahhh hahahaha. We are all Stoners!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[wharfy]

Ahhh hahahaha. We are all Stoners!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I didn't inhale honest !!!