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[Little Miss Trouble]

They have started doing visitors on Tuesdays at the same time because Thursday has been a mad-house for the past year! So many new shooters and so little space.

I've never taken the bike to the range before, but I am looking forward to being able to (although it might make shooting my rifles a little hard). When I go I take the cage and drop my girlfriend off at Border's to read and have a coffee while I go shooting. She shoots with me when I go hunting sometimes, but doesn't find target shooting all that fun.

Yep Thursday nights is madness for sure.

Theres a guy who comes on Thursday who I've seen ride off on his 250 with his rifle in a bag across his back, is that even legal?!

[ManDownUnder]

Ok, if you need for example a semi auto assault rifle fine demonstrate a clear need, but posession for the sake of compensation is not a need.

The defence forces need those weapons - I personally agree with you that Joe Public does not. But if they want them, enjoy using, loading, the asthetics of them, and are of an appropriate character to have them... why not?

[ManDownUnder]

So why draw the line at guns then MDU. As you note they are a force multiplier. Why does one need that much extra force?

Sorry - I missed a critical part of your question.

BECAUSE CATCHING BAMI ON FOOT IS NEARLY FUCKEN IMPOSSIBLE... and I enjoy venison

[jono035]

Yep Thursday nights is madness for sure.

Theres a guy who comes on Thursday who I've seen ride off on his 250 with his rifle in a bag across his back, is that even legal?!

I have no idea... You're allowed to carry rifles around providing they are in a bag but it is discouraged. You have to have them in the boot of your car, or out of sight if that isn't possible. Not sure how either of those rules apply to motorcycle riders though. I carry my target .22 in a hard-case and it is damn heavy, those 2 things combined would mean I'd probably lose it somewhere along the way, which would be awkward to explain to the police...

Tuesday night is definitely the night to show up now, though. Or failing that just join up and then shoot during the weekends or earlier in the evening

[jono035]

Sorry - I missed a critical part of your question.

BECAUSE CATCHING BAMI ON FOOT IS NEARLY FUCKEN IMPOSSIBLE... and I enjoy venison

Someone sprinting off after a deer on foot with a knife between their teeth would worry me a whole lot more than your average hunter, thats for sure!

[ManDownUnder]

Theres a guy who comes on Thursday who I've seen ride off on his 250 with his rifle in a bag across his back, is that even legal?!

Yup, so long as it conforms to the general rules of firearms carriage - not loaded, bolt removed where possible.. etc.

Generally a good idea to have it in a carry case rather than simply having the gun slung over your shoulder by it's strap, but I don't beluieve carriage in a bag or case is required by law...

... certainly would get a lot of attention though.

[Delerium]

A lump of 4x2 can be used to harm someone as well. Banning that is just plain stupid - unless perhaps someone comes up with a cheap, effective workable alternative. So stop putting up silly exagerated examples.

You, are a tool. You refer to firarms users as gun nuts, and the type that sits their oiling their weapons? Get clue!

Shooters come from all walks of life. Licensed users are NOT the ones going on rampages. As soon as logical arguments come about that starts to turn against you, you leave? You dont like guns, fine, nobody is asking you, but why should my sport be punished becuase your paranoid and ignorant of the facts?

[jono035]

The defence forces need those weapons - I personally agree with you that Joe Public does not. But if they want them, enjoy using, loading, the asthetics of them, and are of an appropriate character to have them... why not?

A lot of that comes down to what the difference really is, too. If you're quick with a bolt action, it really isn't that much slower, which means that banning semi-autos wouldn't have any effect. Once you think about that, then in reality the only difference (beyond weapon length and magazine size which are already controlled) is aesthetics. The day we get a few people killed by a rifle looking 'scary' then it'll be time for a rethink!

[jono035]

Yup, so long as it conforms to the general rules of firearms carriage - not loaded, bolt removed where possible.. etc.

Generally a good idea to have it in a carry case rather than simply having the gun slung over your shoulder by it's strap, but I don't beluieve carriage in a bag or case is required by law...

... certainly would get a lot of attention though.

Just checked my Arms Code (in the top draw of my desk for this very reason) and it says 'you are strongly advised to get a padded case or cover to carry it in', which doesn't sound like a legal requirement. Less chance of getting shot by the AOS that way though...

[scumdog]

Yep Thursday nights is madness for sure.

Theres a guy who comes on Thursday who I've seen ride off on his 250 with his rifle in a bag across his back, is that even legal?!

No worries, when I had my dirt bike I use to ride through town regularly with rifle over my shoulder, never got stopped.

And no, I was not 'in the job' then.

[jono035]

No worries, when I had my dirt bike I use to ride through town regularly with rifle over my shoulder, never got stopped.

And no, I was not 'in the job' then.

Yeah, not quite central Auckland though I'm guessing

[Little Miss Trouble]

This guy does have it in a proper carry bag, still looks pretty funny though.

Will try & make it for Tuesday then. Joining up, hmm why do I have a feeling that'd be a slippery slope to becoming completely addicted? much like 'just have a go on the dirt bike...'

[jono035]

This guy does have it in a proper carry bag, still looks pretty funny though.

Will try & make it for Tuesday then. Joining up, hmm why do I have a feeling that'd be a slippery slope to becoming completely addicted? much like 'just have a go on the dirt bike...'

Heh, yeah it is a bit. I started going just to sight in my hunting rifle and to have a bit of a look around. Been properly hooked ever since.

Joining the club doesn't really work out any cheaper unless you're shooting more than once a month ($200 per month, $100 to join), but it does make things a lot easier, especially if you have a license and your own rifle/pistol to bring along whenever the range is free.

[duckonin]

Nz needs to drop the Ausie system it adopted,which is what we have now, a licence system and go back to a permit to procure (from Police) the purchaser needs this before they get any gun sold to them..

Years back the system knew who had what, well almost, each gun was recorded in the system and beside that gun and its number was a name, so when the police intercepted a stolen firearm in went the number and out came a name..next step to call on the person if they could not show the gun in their possession they were in DEEP SHIT....

Now with and basicly without a licence if you are lucky you can buy as many guns as you like from other people without there being a record of any transaction at all, now how dumb is that, it is know wonder the police carn't do their job efficently, they have a flat ball to kick around

[jono035]

Nz needs to drop the Ausie system it adopted,which is what we have now, a licence system and go back to a permit to procure (from Police) the purchaser needs this before they get any gun sold to them..

Years back the system knew who had what, well almost, each gun was recorded in the system and beside that gun and its number was a name, so when the police intercepted a stolen firearm in went the number and out came a name..next step to call on the person if they could not show the gun in their possession they were in DEEP SHIT....

Now with and basicly without a licence if you are lucky you can buy as many guns as you like from other people without there being a record of any transaction at all, now how dumb is that, it is know wonder the police carn't do their job efficently, they have a flat ball to kick around

The general consensus as I understand it with regards to this system is that it provided a lot of work for the police without really much benefit. I'm pretty sure that this was the official opinion from the NZ Police at the time of the change. What you describe is still the case with weapons held under any of the endorsements, just not the ubiquitous hunting rifles.