Would you race superbike?

[CHOPPA]

I agree if your a good rider and want to do the very best you can possibly do without having anything holding you back then yes you will have to spend a small fortune.

When guys go racing F3 on an old 400cc or something they have the same choices if you wanted to do the very best you could possibly do without the bike holding you back in anyway that would cost prob more because its easier to out ride the bike. I bet everyone riding in that class would feel that there bike is underpowered compared to someone elses and some other guys bike corners quicker but they still race. Why dont many people adopt the same attitude in superbike?

[ajturbo]

Why dont many people adopt the same attitude in superbike?

is it because.... some know their limits?
is it because..... some don't want to know their limits???

is it because.... the feeling of the front/rear moving is too much for them?

is it because.... some fear the "perceived" pain if they go beyond their limits...?


i think the LACK of education ( on HOW to RACE) is a big thing here in NZ

[Wingnut]

Also though, how do you think you'd get on against Craig Sherriffs, Hayden Fitzgerald, and Choppa in a race. Those guys are the bench for this winter series, and I know Craig and Hayden were both using new tyres at round two.

I do run a thou, I get along not bad, and I'm a REAL competitive mother fucker. There's no point trying to say to someone like me, "you dont need new tyres".

Brads came in ahead of Choppa at Teretonga in race one in the last nats....If he was motivated and wanted to spend the $$$, he could be consistantly running at the top (I'm sure Choppa would agree with this). He is qualified in his comments I believe.

[brads]

You are setting your bike up, to run in Superstock, on the tyres you have to run there.

I am trying to set a bike up, to run in Superbike here. How can it be properly set up, for road tyres, or second hand ones for that matter? You put a brand spanking tyre on at Manfield nats, and it was a dud. If I put on a second hand tyre, I might end up chasing grip the tyre never had from new.

ps. Your 180 horse weapon, was a deal done by Suzuki New Zealand, for team LG. Not available to Joe Bloggs. What I got my bike for, is cheaper than I have seen anything that'd compete with it for.

Read above.

Also though, how do you think you'd get on against Craig Sherriffs, Hayden Fitzgerald, and Choppa in a race. Those guys are the bench for this winter series, and I know Craig and Hayden were both using new tyres at round two.

I do run a thou, I get along not bad, and I'm a REAL competitive mother fucker. There's no point trying to say to someone like me, "you dont need new tyres".

You may be a REAL competitive mother fucker,but are you the same on track?ie,do you battle with craig,hayden and choppa or just line up against them,I guess this answers one of the questions as to why the nats fields are low,if you throw new tyres on alot during the winter its no wonder people cant afford to compete in the nats,but thats another thread..................................

[CHOPPA]

is it because.... some know their limits?
is it because..... some don't want to know their limits???

is it because.... the feeling of the front/rear moving is too much for them?

is it because.... some fear the "perceived" pain if they go beyond their limits...?


i think the LACK of education ( on HOW to RACE) is a big thing here in NZ

Spot on, but its not a cost thing

[speedracerjimmy]

You may be a REAL competitive mother fucker,but are you the same on track?ie,do you battle with craig,hayden and choppa or just line up against them,I guess this answers one of the questions as to why the nats fields are low,if you throw new tyres on alot during the winter its no wonder people cant afford to compete in the nats,but thats another thread..................................

i agree with brad there is no point wasting good money throwing new tyres at your bike in winter.you can go just as fast on old ones.you really wana save those new tyres for the summer when you can really push hard and set your good times and find a good set up thats gna work for the nats.

[Tony.OK]

i agree with brad there is no point wasting good money throwing new tyres at your bike in winter.you can go just as fast on old ones.you really wana save those new tyres for the summer when you can really push hard and set your good times and find a good set up thats gna work for the nats.

Trick is to have a good source for these used tyres though really.............................if ya can get some from someone you trust or ya know the tyres history then all good.
There's a fair few people buyin old take offs that are/should've been binned.

Check the manufacture dates folks...................more than a year old? Don't bother, esp on a litre bike.

That being said they are getting harder to find.................especially if you have to run a particular brand, no point testing on something new and potentially pissing off yer sponsored supplier either.

Also buying new can be just as cheap overall, use em once or twice then flick em off to someone thats happy to use used, both parties run at a lower cost then

[CHOPPA]

Trick is to have a good source for these used tyres though really.............................if ya can get some from someone you trust or ya know the tyres history then all good.
There's a fair few people buyin old take offs that are/should've been binned.

Check the manufacture dates folks...................more than a year old? Don't bother, esp on a litre bike.

That being said they are getting harder to find.................especially if you have to run a particular brand, no point testing on something new and potentially pissing off yer sponsored supplier either.

Also buying new can be just as cheap overall, use em once or twice then flick em off to someone thats happy to use used, both parties run at a lower cost then

Use your summer tyres in the winter

[mossy1200]

Use your summer tyres in the winter

Tyres cant be that much difference as im already using 4 sets new rubber for the winter series on my fat arse posty.Must grind more bike away at some point.

[Tony.OK]

Use your summer tyres in the winter

Hahaa yeah.........................that'd work if unlike me you'd not sold everything ya could to get a new bike, that now ya can't afford to use lol.

But i am enjoying sitting on it pretending to be fast....................and my tyres aren't wearing at all

[Robert Taylor]

Yes, undoubtedly Superbikes are an expensive class and it doesnt matter how much you massage the rules they always will be expensive.
Lets look at it from another angle. There may be a handful more bikes on the grid if you allowed ''SP'' type bikes into the class. Eg top spec Ducatis etc. That would enrichen the class and also removes the effective alienation of people with such bikes that may want to race. Right now they can only do Bears and thats pretty well subscribed.

[k14]

Everyone at the Nats, only get two races per round. There's no cross entering.

Nope... 125GP, F3 and Sidecars get 3 races.

[Kickaha]

Nope... 125GP, F3 and Sidecars get 3 races.

Although in three races we still do less laps than they do in two

[johan]

Yes, undoubtedly Superbikes are an expensive class and it doesnt matter how much you massage the rules they always will be expensive.
Lets look at it from another angle. There may be a handful more bikes on the grid if you allowed ''SP'' type bikes into the class. Eg top spec Ducatis etc. That would enrichen the class and also removes the effective alienation of people with such bikes that may want to race. Right now they can only do Bears and thats pretty well subscribed.

I've heard rumours about a tricked out 1198r up north in race trim. Unfortunately it can't be raced in nationals because the swing arm and triple clamp are changed to corse parts.

Even the basic 1198s with its carbon fibre mud guard can't compete in nationals, if I've read the rules correctly (section 8-10).
It also comes with a data logger, which might be banned according to section 12?
You would have to down grade the bike...

[Robert Taylor]

I've heard rumours about a tricked out 1198r up north in race trim. Unfortunately it can't be raced in nationals because the swing arm and triple clamp are changed to corse parts.

Even the basic 1198s with its carbon fibre mud guard can't compete in nationals, if I've read the rules correctly (section 8-10).
It also comes with a data logger, which might be banned according to section 12?
You would have to down grade the bike...

Yes, its in our workshop.