A new class EXCITING class to get bikes out there AGAIN!

[Drew]

banter.

Enough of this gay banter. Take it to the track to sort out the debating.

[quickbuck]

To him, or to do a whip around FOR him?


He's got a better bike now, if he'll just race the bastard instead of fucking with it.

Well, ironically enough, I'm actually doing a bit of a Whip around for Neils Racing Habbit tomorrow......
Yes, true.

[Whitebait]

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[Deano]

How is a 1991 NSR250 not a F3 bike???? Isn't that class a progression from proddy racing or at least a merger????

As I read the rules the bike had to be made in 1989 and unless Mr Honda shat out a couple thousand MC21's in early 1990 ( which would make him a very sick man) Logic would stat that they were MADE in 1989....would it not??

Does it make it legal for 89 PC Junior ? Honest question

[Kickaha]

As I read the rules the bike had to be made in 1989 and unless Mr Honda shat out a couple thousand MC21's in early 1990 ( which would make him a very sick man) Logic would stat that they were MADE in 1989....would it not??

Possibly so but unless you can prove it then it can be given the arse out of the class

We had a similar argument a year or so ago as we could show the RZ350 was manufactured prior to Dec31st 1982 thus making it eligible for the class

to cut a long story short it is now on the list of bikes specifically excluded from pre82

[Deano]

Possibly so but unless you can prove it then it can be given the arse out of the class

We had a similar argument a year or so ago as we coud show the RZ350 was manufactured prior to Dec31st 1982 thus making it eligible for the class

to cut a long story short it is now on the list of bikes specifically excluded from pre82

Bloody good bikes for their time eh...

[quickbuck]

to cut a long story short it is now on the list of bikes specifically excluded from pre82

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[scracha]

If you are faster than someone else, do they deserve to be in the class more than you? (Assuming your bike is legal for said class.)

Umm... I know i've just got back from the pub but wasn't his bike not being legal for the class the point that was trying to be made?

Anyhoo..bike 555 was my bitch on the NC23 and the hurricane.


Fuck it...anyone gives me any more $hit about this then it's a fight at the back of the bike sheds.

[sinfull]

Fuck it...anyone gives me any more $hit about this then it's a fight at the back of the bike sheds.

Yay you scottish git !!! But you just wait yr bloody turn ya hear !!!

[Billy]

[QUOTE=Whitebait;1129300228]Ok not sure what set of rules your've been reading there bud.

The MNZ rulebook

How is a 1991 NSR250 not a F3 bike???? Isn't that class a progression from proddy racing or at least a merger????

250 multicylinder 2 strokes were allowed to run in F3 when the 250 proddy class dwindled.BUT with their own set of rules,Read them and then look over your bike.

As I read the rules the bike had to be made in 1989 and unless Mr Honda shat out a couple thousand MC21's in early 1990 ( which would make him a very sick man) Logic would stat that they were MADE in 1989....would it not??

If thats the case and you have written proof from Honda motor company,Then theres no problem.Once again,Read the rulebook.The onus is on you too provide proof

As a newby to the sport I'm looking for track time.....Isn't that the way you get faster??

So enter F2 if you cant provide the relevant info for Pre 89

I'm pretty sure getting all defensive over a minor class is doing great things for the sport.............

Yeah,We should just throw the rulebook away for minor classes AYE.Yeah Right!!

[Whitebait]

Yeah,We should just throw the rulebook away for minor classes AYE.Yeah Right!!

GREAT!!!! I knew you guys would come around eventually

I'll do some research and get back to ya.

See ya's on the track...............

[Chrislost]

to me a 89fzr and a 90fzr is the same bike just cosmetic changes and im sure plenty of models are the same.They make rules to take away our interpretation of whats acceptable.this is because by nature as bike riders we are a bunch of rule bending misfits.

Some of the NC30s shouldnt be in pre 89...
Mines a 89 verison, not-so-good shock and unadjustable forks. the '90 - 93 models had adjustable shock and forks...
small differences like that tend to go un noticed at the moment however i for one would pissed if 6 un-eligable bikes were in front of me and i didnt qualify

[Chrislost]

No pre89 class at Paeroa. I dunno about Wanganui.

won $25 in pre-89.
had a sweet battle with a harley

[WarrenW]

To Whitebait.
Here are the specs for the MC21

The MC21 now utilised the PGMIII ECU taken from the legendry RC30 superbike (only now being utilised in GP250 by official HRC NSR's incidentally!!), and coupled to throttle position and gear position sensors, controls both the timing of the RC Valves, air correctors and ignition advance to give outstanding low end tractability. The PGM-III features a true 3D ignition and a different map for each cylinder.

In keeping with their racer for the road image, the famous Gull-Arm rear swingarm was copied from the RS250 of Luca Cadalora, as was the frame design. Even the mounting point for a steering damper was kept in place! The body-styling was based on the 1988 and 1989 RS250's, with just a few basic concessions like lights and a rear pillion seat!! The rear wheel diameter was decreased from 18" to 17" and widened to 4.5" to run the latest tyre profiles and compounds.

So based upon this your bike could be protested on a number of areas and sadly for you, the bike would then be excluded from the class. Save everyone the hassle and move classes before you get your knickers in a twist because someone thinks you cheat and protests you.

[malcy25]

Ok not sure what set of rules your've been reading there bud.

How is a 1991 NSR250 not a F3 bike???? Isn't that class a progression from proddy racing or at least a merger????

As I read the rules the bike had to be made in 1989 and unless Mr Honda shat out a couple thousand MC21's in early 1990 ( which would make him a very sick man) Logic would stat that they were MADE in 1989....would it not??

As a newby to the sport I'm looking for track time.....Isn't that the way you get faster??

I'm pretty sure getting all defensive over a minor class is doing great things for the sport.............

"There is only one name for people that 'bend' the rules, they are cheats.
No bobody would like to see a championship decided on a protest or won by an illegal bike."

I look forward to the protests I'm quite happy to move into F2 if there's a problem.

I'm Glenn Mason and i'll be on the #555 NSR25O at round3 in F3 and pre89 posties.

Tell you what here's my frame number MC21-1020202 so you guys can have a head start.

As for bending rules isn't that what every single motorsport does to make the best use of the "rules" set out????

http://www.dreamgate.ne.jp/NSR/general/NSR250a.html
1990 saw a huge model change for the new NSR's that went on sale from February 13, 1990. These bikes were code named MC21 from the factory and were completely new and different in every way from the earlier NSR's. ....... Besides variations in colors there were no major changes until 1993

Even in the country of manufacture, they were not available until part way into 1990....sorry. As Kickaha says, The NZPCRA tech committee have been tending towards model years where possible also, especially for brand new models which were released to the public early in the new class period. The RZ350 being excluded, they would probably take a similar view on the MC21 if asked, having already set a precident.

Some bikes in Aussie have been approved (not NSR's some suzuki's and Kwakas) from production of a compliance plate which did have the appropriate dates on. Ie Z1000J Kawasakis with a complianceplate dated 12/80 allowing them into their dec 31s 1980 cut off. GSXR750T's were the same, a very late 1995 compliance date plate was found for the 96 model for their Pre dec 31st 1995 cut off date class. If you can produce something like that it may be a help if you want to run in pre 89 and that would be the most likely cance you have.

Harsh I know, but the rules are equal for everyone in this respect and should be applied equally also.

NC30's....yes, the later bikes did have some suspension upgrades to shock and fork. The shock is not a major component like frame, swingarm, brakes, engine castings, carbs and forks. so no issue. The fork internals are open for change. If the later forks are visually indistinguishable for the 89 model forks (ie same slider castings etc) no issue. As said, what goes on inside is open and can be upgraded.