Request to give information as to identity of driver question

[scumdog]

This is why you should only do runners when you're sure they haven't seen the number plate.

Yeah, always stop to ask if they've seen you number-plate, ya just can't be too careful people

[Big Dave]

Yeah, always stop to ask if they've seen you number-plate, ya just can't be too careful people

You'd think it would be easy to see on that push bike.

[BiK3RChiK]

Well, this is not getting me anywhere. How do companies get on that have multiple vehicles, with multiple drivers? I'm not a company, but I do own a business with business vehicles, and I also own private vehicles. If I'm at work, and someone else is driving my private vehicle which was parked at home when I left for work, I'm still responsible for knowing who is driving it? Although I left maybe hours before? What a crock!

I'll supply information, but it probably won't be want they want to know, since I DON'T KNOW! This alleged offence (whatever it was) was 3 weeks ago! yeah, right.......

[BMWST?]

as the registered owner you are responsible for telling the police who had the vehicle at the time.A speed camera ussually shows the identity of the driver quite clearly,but you have to ask per teh pic.
Any company that i work(ed) for has a "book" to fill out for "mixed" use.Its not a crock.How good would it be if a company vehicle did damage to your property and the company said...we dont know who was driving...tough luck.

[Indoo]

Well, this is not getting me anywhere. How do companies get on that have multiple vehicles, with multiple drivers?

Logbooks, sign out sheets etc, all companies use them.

If I'm at work, and someone else is driving my private vehicle which was parked at home when I left for work, I'm still responsible for knowing who is driving it?.......

If its your private vehicle then of course you should know who was driving it, surely they would have to ask if they could use your car and get the keys off you?

Theres basically no loophole or easy defence you can use, pretty much everyone uses that excuse of 'I dunno' and it doesn't get them far, its one of the responsibilities of being a car owner and registering a car in your name. It's usually a couple of grand depending on the offence in question, if you genuinely don't know might pay to ask those who 'could' have been driving it to fess up and save you from the fine.

[Winston001]

Well, this is not getting me anywhere. How do companies get on that have multiple vehicles, with multiple drivers? I'm not a company, but I do own a business with business vehicles, and I also own private vehicles. If I'm at work, and someone else is driving my private vehicle which was parked at home when I left for work, I'm still responsible for knowing who is driving it? Although I left maybe hours before? What a crock!

I'll supply information, but it probably won't be want they want to know, since I DON'T KNOW! This alleged offence (whatever it was) was 3 weeks ago! yeah, right.......

You still don't get it .

Personal responsibility. How would you feel if your vehicle had hit-and-run a child? Disinterested? Bad luck?

If you are going to permit other people to drive a vehicle registered to you, then you need to realise responsibilities flow. That is exactly what businesses do - keep a record for situations like this.

This law has been around for a long time. Even before speed cameras.

[p.dath]

Well, this is not getting me anywhere. How do companies get on that have multiple vehicles, with multiple drivers? I'm not a company, but I do own a business with business vehicles, and I also own private vehicles. If I'm at work, and someone else is driving my private vehicle which was parked at home when I left for work, I'm still responsible for knowing who is driving it? Although I left maybe hours before? What a crock!

I'll supply information, but it probably won't be want they want to know, since I DON'T KNOW! This alleged offence (whatever it was) was 3 weeks ago! yeah, right.......

Because of FBT, you can't just allow staff the free use of a vehicle. For example, if it was possible for a staff member to take a car to get lunch, even if they didn't, then you have to pay FBT on that vehicle. A vehicle just has to be "available for personal use" to attract FBT.

So an easy solution is no one is allowed to use a vehicle unless they have been assigned it to do a job. Because they have been assigned, we know who had it at any point in time.

[BiK3RChiK]

If its your private vehicle then of course you should know who was driving it, surely they would have to ask if they could use your car and get the keys off you?

Of course they don't! It's a family vehicle which just happens to be registered in my name like a lot of the other vehicles we own, simply because I was the one who did the paperwork when they were purchased. The keys hang on the family communal key hooks, so are available to everyone.

Theres basically no loophole or easy defence you can use, pretty much everyone uses that excuse of 'I dunno' and it doesn't get them far, its one of the responsibilities of being a car owner and registering a car in your name. It's usually a couple of grand depending on the offence in question, if you genuinely don't know might pay to ask those who 'could' have been driving it to fess up and save you from the fine.

Well, looks like I'm screwed then. I've asked who was driving the vehicle on the day specified and I pretty much got 'You are joking, right?' along with bemused looks. After explaining the situation, of course no one is going to fess up! Do you think they are going to put their necks on a chopping block? But I suspect by the incredulous looks and 'What the ..... ??' kind of comments, that, either it was extremely minor and someone is on a wild goose chase, or, someone is guilty of crashing my car into someone and miraculously repairing it to the same condition as it's been in for some years, which I highly doubt is even possible; or it's a case of mistaken ID of vehicle.

I'll just have to see how it's going to pan out. What a bizarre situation.

[Starky307]

Just because I'm the registered owner of a vehicle doesn't mean I know who is driving the vehicle registered in my name every minute of the day. I'm a very busy person and my vehicles are available to a number of people throughout the day, and I have no record or way of finding out who was driving the vehicle at the time stated.

That is a poor attitude to have towards a motor vehicle that is owned by you. You should know who is driving the vehicles registered under your name at all times, it is your responsibility.

[jono035]

Of course they don't! It's a family vehicle which just happens to be registered in my name like a lot of the other vehicles we own, simply because I was the one who did the paperwork when they were purchased. The keys hang on the family communal key hooks, so are available to everyone.



Well, looks like I'm screwed then. I've asked who was driving the vehicle on the day specified and I pretty much got 'You are joking, right?' along with bemused looks. After explaining the situation, of course no one is going to fess up! Do you think they are going to put their necks on a chopping block? But I suspect by the incredulous looks and 'What the ..... ??' kind of comments, that, either it was extremely minor and someone is on a wild goose chase, or, someone is guilty of crashing my car into someone and miraculously repairing it to the same condition as it's been in for some years, which I highly doubt is even possible; or it's a case of mistaken ID of vehicle.

I'll just have to see how it's going to pan out. What a bizarre situation.

Try find out what they want the name for. If no-one owns up then punish them all in some way, at least restrict their use of the vehicles that are in your name. Keep hold of the keys unless they ask and note who uses it when.

Every time I had an issue with one of my parents cars I told them straight away and never tried to cover it up. That was how I was raised and that is what I was taught was the right and responsible way to behave.

[mowgli]

I'll just have to see how it's going to pan out. What a bizarre situation.

Woah there! Don't get sucked into this OT debate about personal responsibility. Start with a polite letter or phone call asking for further details that might help you identify the driver. Who knows? You might find the witness (not necessarily a copper) got the plate slightly wrong and you're being hunted for tailgating in Balclutha!! Not so long ago a company down south got similar when their forklift was [edit: allegedly] clocked speeding on the open road. If it was your vehicle then the location or description of the occupants may make it easy to id the driver.

If you do ultimately get landed with it - that would suck majorly.

[jono035]

Woah there! Don't get sucked into this OT debate about personal responsibility. Start with a polite letter or phone call asking for further details that might help you identify the driver. Who knows? You might find the witness (not necessarily a copper) got the plate slightly wrong and you're being hunted for tailgating in Balclutha!! Not so long ago a company down south got similar when their forklift was clocked speeding on the open road. If it was your vehicle then the location or description of the occupants may make it easy to id the driver.

If you do ultimately get landed with it - that would suck majorly.

Gotta watch out for those speeding forklifts man, they're a hazard! Haven't you ever seen Bro'Town.

[Mom]

I think you should use this as a test case

Be honest and tell them you have no idea who was driving at the time

See what happens

The advice you have been given on here is probably wrong anyway

Keep us posted eh

[Hoon]

If you can't identify the driver then you'll have to accept the responsibility yourself and learn from your mistake. Divide the fine amongst all those family members that use the vehicle, if anyone doesn't pay up then no more keys for them. If you can get details of where/when the incident took place you should be able to narrow it down to who it was (or wasn't).

[Winston001]

Start with a polite letter or phone call asking for further details that might help you identify the driver. Who knows? You might find the witness (not necessarily a copper) got the plate slightly wrong and you're being hunted for tailgating in Balclutha!!

Good advice. The first step is to find out why the enquiry is being made. I'm surprised the letter doesn't state that. It may not be your vehicle at all.

However I'm bound to say my main concern is that an adult, with a family, is completely unaware of the law. And thinks its alright for the family to use a vehicle but not take responsibility??