A new class EXCITING class to get bikes out there AGAIN!

[WarrenW]

Glen, If you want to get personal about this, come and see me at the next meeting and we will discuss this point at length, make sure you bring a copy of your rule book. There is nothing handicapped about the rules only those that ignore them.

We currently have one tech rep from the NZPCRA in Manawatu, this may well increase to 2 people, guess who the second may be?

Cheers

[Billy]

Can you change wheels for supersport though Drew? Gawd it's all so confusing.

You can change your wheels to carbonfibre if you wish for the Actrix series,But for National points they have to be oem

[Drew]

Can you change wheels for supersport though Drew? Gawd it's all so confusing.

Vic club seem to run F2 rules, so go for it. Supersport rules say no.

A Formula class, is "based on (but not limited to), production bikes".

Production class, is meant to be just that. With exceptions which I feel level the playing field, such as suspension, pipe, and power commanders.

[roadracingoldfart]

We currently have one tech rep from the NZPCRA in Manawatu, this may well increase to 2 people, guess who the second may be?

Cheers

I hate guessing games im crap at them , BUT , if there is another tech rep i hope they know what they are looking for and talking about , ive heard some shit lately !!!!!

[Billy]

I hate guessing games im crap at them , BUT , if there is another tech rep i hope they know what they are looking for and talking about , ive heard some shit lately !!!!!

Pete Sales is the local guy in Manawatu,He knows the rules and despises cheats

[Drew]

Pete Sales is the local guy in Manawatu,He knows the rules and despises cheats

I wouldn't wish the job on anyone who didn't volunteer themselves. Pretty thankless, and really open to critics.

[Whitebait]

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[mossy1200]

25 ROAD RACING - POST CLASSIC
25-1 Introduction:
There shall be three groups of Post Class road racing machines:
(A) Pre 72 which shall consist of machines manufactured after January 1st 1963 and
before October 30th 1972.
(B) Pre 82 which will consist of racing machines manufactured after the closing date of
the Period 1972 class and before December 31st 1982.
(C) Pre 89 which will consist of racing machines manufactured after the closing date of
the period 1982 class and before December 31st 1989.
(a) These rules are intended to ensure a high standard of authenticity and presentation of
the representative periods.
(b) All machines must comply with the safety and technical requirements as detailed
under chapters 8 & 10 of the MNZ manual.
(c) Later versions of the same models released (but not updated) eg Honda 750 K1-K6
may be acceptable as eligible for Pre 72 when competing in a racing class.
(d) Pre 72 cut off date is to exclude the following motorcycles; Kawasaki Z1 900,
Yamaha TZ and RD from this class.
(e) Pre 82 specifically excludes the following: Honda VF750F interceptor, Yamaha RZ
(all models) Suzuki GSX 1135, GSXR all models GPZ 900 all models Yamaha FJ
1100, Ducati F1 all models Suzuki RG 250, 400, 500 Gamma road bikes.
25-2 Eligibility and general requirements
25-2-1 Eligibility
The eligibility and dating of post classic motorcycles shall be considered in terms of the
major components. The group into which a post classic machine is classed will be
determined by the age of the newest component.
25-2-2 Major Components
Major components are: Frame (including Swingarm), Engine and Gearbox castings,
carburetors, Brakes (excluding front and rear master cylinders which are open) and forks.
These are to be manufactured between Jan 1st 1963 and December 31st 1989. Major
components manufactured in any country shall be acceptable. The onus of proof of
eligibility shall rest wholly upon the rider or entrant of the machine.
Modifications to major components are allowed, providing that such modifications are
visually indistinguishable from modifications proven to have been used during this period.
The onus of proof rests with the entrant or rider of the machine.
25-2-3 Replica Parts and Materials
Replica parts, major or otherwise, may be used in any proportion, provided that they are
true and faithful copies of the original components made to original dimensions from the
materials originally specified. In the event of originally specified materials being
unobtainable, then materials used must be near to those originally specified.


Its not time period racing as it was intended if you want to add your own version of what should be included.
Im happy to make mine as quick as I can without crossing any lines in the sand.If i have a doubt then i check it out.

[WarrenW]

Glenn has two "N's" just like Warren has a capital W.

Hopefully the NZPCRA will find someone who has a vast knowledge of all makes and models and isn't short sighted and can make decisions for the best of the sport.

I'm pretty over this in all honesty.

I think there are some really good buggers in road racing who really want to see it do well and have a passion for the sport. Some people seem to want to restrict the sport so that they or someone around them can continue to do well.

I'm not pointing this at you Warren, I just think some of you folk need to calm the fuck down.

Has noone else seen the No-fear shirt "Rules and bones were meant to be broken"?????

Apologies Glenn (Note correct speeling).
No we are not intent upon restricting people from racing. We are very concerned that the rules are followed. As I pointed out in an earlier post, the club series may make up part of a Nationally recognised title. How would you feel if someone on a bike that was not meant to be there (even at club level) beat you and this meant that the title went to someone else. I am pretty sure you would not just lie down and take it saying oh well good on him for cheating and getting away with it.

No one likes a person who breaks the rules, that's why we have prisons for. Do you honestly think the cops would turn the other cheek, like you are asking the entire post classic class to do, and let a criminal go just because he thinks he has the right to break the rules?

MNZ was formed to govern the racing and have created a good set of rules that work, mostly in consultation from people that have been doing this for years (sometimes decades) and take their time over making any changes. If you don't think Pete Sales has enough experience, he has been in the game longer than I have, approaching 40 years.

See ya at the track, hopefully entered into the correct class Aye.

[Kickaha]

Hopefully the NZPCRA will find someone who has a vast knowledge of all makes and models and isn't short sighted and can make decisions for the best of the sport.

Best of the sport or just best for you?

I just think some of you folk need to calm the fuck down.

Sounds like you need to take your own advice

Has noone else seen the No-fear shirt "Rules and bones were meant to be broken"?????

Yeah, what a crock of shit that is, basically it's advocating cheating

So why don't you put up or shut up can you prove eligibility or not?

Some people seem to want to restrict the sport so that they or someone around them can continue to do well.

And your proof of that is?

[malcy25]

Glenn has two "N's" just like Warren has a capital W.

Hopefully the NZPCRA will find someone who has a vast knowledge of all makes and models and isn't short sighted and can make decisions for the best of the sport.

I'm pretty over this in all honesty.

I think there are some really good buggers in road racing who really want to see it do well and have a passion for the sport. Some people seem to want to restrict the sport so that they or someone around them can continue to do well.

I'm not pointing this at you Warren, I just think some of you folk need to calm the fuck down.

Has noone else seen the No-fear shirt "Rules and bones were meant to be broken"?????

Glenn

As you will have hopefully noticed, I have been quite polite and provide a lot of information here to help steer you to the rules you need to read. But I sense you have not read closely the relevant rules or much of my previous writings here on this subject. I suggest you do so.

Refer Mossy's post at 19.22hrs and in particular rule 25-2-2 that he has cut and pasted for you out of the MNZ rule book. "The onus of proof of
eligibility shall rest wholly upon the rider or entrant of the machine." How much more help do you need? It's NOT the NZPCRA tech guys that have to prove a bike is illegal, rather the rider or entrant to prove it is legal. That means you go do the work and present it to the tech guys showing why you can ride the bike.

I love how on this forum the "you must be anti progress/helping new guys" comment gets trotted out by a member when they get told that they are wrong and can't do whatever they want. Every person who has posted here is trying to help you NOT get protested. I can guarantee that will ruin your day and a whole lot of people who do not need the grief.

Shit, what would I know I've:
1) only been a lowly grade 2 MNZ steward for years which means I DO need to know the rule book and application thereof.
2) was heavily involved in the racing scene as gofer then racer, then organiser, then racer again from 1979 till now
3) raced in pre 82 since 1997
4) raced in pre 89 since 2004
5) been on the postie technical committee since it was formed.
6) provided my time and effort to help guys with eligibility problems since the first set of rules hit the MNZ rule book for pre 72 and pre 82 about 10 years ago.
7) been collecting and racing pukka race and production bikes specific to the pre 72, pre 82, pre 89 classes from little 2 strokes to big 4's since 1995.

MY final thoughts?
A number of guys have handed and received any amount of info and guidance on a plate here, but eventually riders need to help themselves also.
If the rules are to be broken, why wear a helmet (I mean it's a rule isn't it?)?
Lastly, it's not the "approximately pre 89 class". We're pretty well all over it too.

[eelracing]

As a F3 rider who does posties as well I don't race posties thinking I'm gonna clean the class up, I do it for the track time!

We also need to remember this is CLUB racing!

Seriously does anyone care if my bike is or is not meant to be in Pre89 if I'm making up numbers??

From a spectator point of view it must look a lot better having a full grid????

I have kept out of this debate coz all i could see was an ass kicking coming Whitebaits way (should of stayed in vmx Glenn)But i to would like to have a go in P/C but for the same reasons my RGV don't comply.




[QUOTE=scracha;1129299728]Then tell the organisers you're not taking any points, make sure you're not kicking any legal bikes off the back of the grid and stay well away from the front runners.[/QUOTE

Seeing as its club racing and not nationals is the above comment possible at the Vic champs???I would be more than willing to make up numbers if spots were available (legal bikes get 1st option of course) and take no points.
Why im asking is my and Glenn's only other option is F2.





[QUOTE=Deano;1129295593]Pro twins are better left with F3 aren't they ? My SV is not in good company against late model 600's at all. The speed differential is huge.
QUOTE]

If a pro twin is getting creamed down the straights then an NSR/RGV/RZ etc (thats assuming the 115% cutoff is met in the 1st place) may be getting in the way of the front 600 runners coming into the last lap if not sooner, this could potentially be very dangerous.

Anyway these are just my thoughts on the matter coz at the end of the day i just wanna get more laps in (and battles) as 2 races per meeting is not my idea of value for buck.So in that respect i don't want to see extra classes added to an already packed day for the organisers but more maybe an integration into classes that are currently not full.

[nzkr1]

Wow what a great read, plenty of emotion in them there pages... but really do we need another class, nah lets just run with what we got. I think the last Vic Club news letter has got everybody thinking weather or not their bike quailifies for pre 89. So why not create a new class, maybe not, lets just wait another 5-10 years then maybe look at a pre 99 class.
As for whitebait, how to win friends and influence people, prehaps you should shut the hell up, now everybody will be wanting to have you excuded from pre 89. At least I can prove that my bike is pre 89.

[Billy]

Wow what a great read, plenty of emotion in them there pages... but really do we need another class, nah lets just run with what we got. I think the last Vic Club news letter has got everybody thinking weather or not their bike quailifies for pre 89. So why not create a new class, maybe not, lets just wait another 5-10 years then maybe look at a pre 99 class.
As for whitebait, how to win friends and influence people, prehaps you should shut the hell up, now everybody will be wanting to have you excuded from pre 89. At least I can prove that my bike is pre 89.

Your bike is well and truly legal George.I raced 1 myself in 1988 and have piccies too prove it.Actually I sold it to a guy in Wanga-vegas!!I wonder if ???

[malcy25]

Wow what a great read, plenty of emotion in them there pages... but really do we need another class, nah lets just run with what we got. I think the last Vic Club news letter has got everybody thinking weather or not their bike quailifies for pre 89. So why not create a new class, maybe not, lets just wait another 5-10 years then maybe look at a pre 99 class.
As for whitebait, how to win friends and influence people, prehaps you should shut the hell up, now everybody will be wanting to have you excuded from pre 89. At least I can prove that my bike is pre 89.

KR1's f'n things. I was proddie racing a TZR250T in 87/88 when the bloody things came out. made my bike well obsolete - in fact Crafar left rubber marks down the side of my fairing in 88 when he T boned me at Puke while lapping me in a 1 hour race, now I remember. I remember giving up production racing after that!