Settling Maori claims. Someone explain.

[oldrider]

...........that's capitalism for ya

No!.....Thats "crime" for yah!

[Pussy]

No!.....Thats "crime" for yah!

Thanks, John... that's what I was getting at!

[idleidolidyll]

No!.....Thats "crime" for yah!

nope; that's the crime capitalists commit, the kind that damage large numbers of ordinary people but in which the perp and the friends of the perp who benefit from the crime get off scott free or with lighter sentences that a burglar who steals a stereo, tv etc

amazing that people will throw stones at specific petty crimes and attribute them to one group or another but when some really big crimes are identified as comitted by capitalists and it's pointed out that these crimes are lightly punished with the proceeds often never returned; the same people whine that it's kust another crime.

face it; much of the land theft in NZ's past directly benefitted capitalists and their decendents but ordinary people have to pay for the crimes as their rellies carry on with the proceeds of the crime keeping them wealthy.

[davereid]

face it; much of the land theft in NZ's past directly benefitted capitalists and their decendents but ordinary people have to pay for the crimes as their rellies carry on with the proceeds of the crime keeping them wealthy.

Actually, capitalists defend property rights.

Thats one of the basics of capitalisim.

Socialists and Communists on the other hand, do not defend property rights ... the individual or familys right to own property or land is subjugated to the state.

The reason we have a mess today is nothing to do with capitalisim, and eveything to do with confusion, and (maori) racisim.

To put it more simply, maori who had land seized illegally, have every right to use legal process (capitalist law) to getthe land back and or be paid for it.

But, they like to claim and do stuff that has nothing to do with ownership and eveything to do with race.

They feature on the telly saying "I'm tangata whenua, I don't need to pay my mortgage" and "This is Tuhoe land - fuck off - oops leave the dole cheque over there".

They like to think that there is such a thing as reverse racisim. Sadly, once you stand up and say "I'm different, I'm maori", people remember. Particularly if you are different in a criminal sort of way.

[oldrider]

nope; that's the crime capitalists commit, the kind that damage large numbers of ordinary people but in which the perp and the friends of the perp who benefit from the crime get off scott free or with lighter sentences that a burglar who steals a stereo, tv etc

amazing that people will throw stones at specific petty crimes and attribute them to one group or another but when some really big crimes are identified as comitted by capitalists and it's pointed out that these crimes are lightly punished with the proceeds often never returned; the same people whine that it's kust another crime.

face it; much of the land theft in NZ's past directly benefitted capitalists and their decendents but ordinary people have to pay for the crimes as their rellies carry on with the proceeds of the crime keeping them wealthy.

"You are the man in the mirror"

Unfortunately, you just can't see your own image as clearly as the rest of us can!

To quote Robbie Burns, the poet:

"Would that God the gift to give us, to see our selves, as others see us". Often not a pretty sight at first. but it gives you something to work on!

[idb]

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The reason we have a mess today is nothing to do with capitalisim, and eveything to do with confusion, and (maori) racisim.

To put it more simply, maori who had land seized illegally, have every right to use legal process (capitalist law) to getthe land back and or be paid for it.

But, they like to claim and do stuff that has nothing to do with ownership and eveything to do with race.

They feature on the telly saying "I'm tangata whenua, I don't need to pay my mortgage" and "This is Tuhoe land - fuck off - oops leave the dole cheque over there".

They like to think that there is such a thing as reverse racisim. Sadly, once you stand up and say "I'm different, I'm maori", people remember. Particularly if you are different in a criminal sort of way.

Just who are they?

[scumdog]

Just who are they?

I dunno - but I bet if we waved to them they would be happier....

[idb]

I dunno - but I bet if we waved to them they would be happier....

Hey!!!
That gives me a great idea!!!

[Bonez]

Hey!!!
That gives me a great idea!!!

Does it involve tassles?

[Kickaha]

Hey!!!
That gives me a great idea!!!

A KB wave?

[James Deuce]

A KB wave?

As I've said repeatedly before, I vote for the 12 O'Clock brown eye.

[popelli]

To put it more simply, maori who had land seized illegally, have every right to use legal process (capitalist law) to getthe land back and or be paid for it.

that sounds reasonable but what process is to be used when one maori sold another maoris land or land he had no authority over

shouldn't the tribes sort compensation for these illegal sales out between themselves or do we forget/ignore about these indiscretions and let the tax payer foot the bill for everything

it was not just the non maori who ripped the maoris off, a lot of them ripped each other off - these facts seem to be have been lost in the treaty claim process

[davereid]

that sounds reasonable but what process is to be used when one maori sold another maoris land or land he had no authority over

shouldn't the tribes sort compensation for these illegal sales out between themselves or do we forget/ignore about these indiscretions and let the tax payer foot the bill for everything

it was not just the non maori who ripped the maoris off, a lot of them ripped each other off - these facts seem to be have been lost in the treaty claim process

My lot (Ngati Hotu) were the original inhabitants of the Central North Island.

They were primarily butchered by Ngati Tuwharetoa, but also Ngai Tuhoe, Ngati Rangitihi, Ngati Whare, Ngati Manawa and Ngati Whakaue.

Of course, the conquest by force of Ngati Hotu is seen as acceptable, in comparison to any conquest by force of later arrivals like Ngati Pommie, which of course is unacceptable.

The musket wars were well after the treaty, but thats OK too.

Winner takes all ya know.

Except Pommies.

[idb]

A KB wave?

Yes, yes, yes...you know you want it!!!!

[outlawtorn]

As an immigrant (who is now a Citizen ) to this fair, damp land it really makes me laugh at how the Maori's shout jump and everyone jumps, because nobody wants to be seen as politcally incorrect or rascist. It's really funny that they want their own justice system too, does the Government not have one that already works? I don't pretend to understand what is going on, it's just really funny from an outsiders point of view. I think more of a backbone is needed.....