Mass medication - our daily bread

**jono035** · 15th July 2009, 17:09

Originally Posted by Str8 Jacket

I grew up in Ohakune, we had fluoride in our water. I am 28 now and have NEVER had a filling or the need for one in my lifetime so far... Also, to put things in perspective, I have drunk around about 1.5-2litres of coke/ diet coke a day since I was 15. And before anyone judges, I dont care!

Go take a read of my earlier post about anecdotal evidence in the flouride discussion. If you surveyed 5000 people and they all said this, then maybe you could draw some kind of useful analysis of it.

Some people have genetically good, strong teeth, others don't.

**MSTRS:Me** · 15th July 2009, 17:11

Originally Posted by James Deuce

Looks like it's been dropped by the Nats and it wasn't going in flour, only non-organic bread. Whatever the hell non-organic bread is.

http://www.nzfsa.govt.nz/consumers/c...x.htm#P39_3272

This 'report' says 2-3 slices = RDI....but up to 11 slices has been mentioned as being reqd. And is that thick or thin slices? What gives? How many woman would eat the equivalent of 11 slices/day anyway?
As an aside, I eat about 8 slices (thick) a day. Apparently, that much bread is not 'good for me'. Neither is running in front of a bus. But it's my choice.
Even 'boutique' bakeries (your local hot bread shop) have to comply...how many 'at risk' women shop for bread there?

This whole thing smells. And not of that lovely yeasty-just-baked variety.

**Str8 Jacket** · 15th July 2009, 17:16

Originally Posted by jono035

Go take a read of my earlier post about anecdotal evidence in the flouride discussion. If you surveyed 5000 people and they all said this, then maybe you could draw some kind of useful analysis of it.

Some people have genetically good, strong teeth, others don't.

Uh huh and maybe I just want to believe what *I* want to believe in. OK?

**jono035** · 15th July 2009, 17:34

Originally Posted by Str8 Jacket

Uh huh and maybe I just want to believe what *I* want to believe in. OK?

Lol, no worries

**AD345** · 15th July 2009, 17:41

Originally Posted by Naki Rat

And in most breads the wheat has been that heavily refined to a dead white carbohydrate (flour) that most of the folate has long since gone. A bit of wholegrain goes some of the way in correcting that situation (but only a bit).

Wheat is ground - not refined.

It is simply passed between an ever-closer set of reduction rollers. the parts of the wheat grain that fall outside of the rollers are kept and added back in at varying levels depending on the recipe - thus creating wheatmeal loaves as opposed to wholemeal loaves.

Our food chain is much less manipulated than you seem to think

**Rodney007** · 15th July 2009, 17:45

OH NOO LETS CRY WAAA WAAAA WAAA

just eat it u panzies...

**James Deuce** · 15th July 2009, 17:50

Originally Posted by Rodney007

OH NOO LETS CRY WAAA WAAAA WAAA

just eat it u panzies...

Don't forget to increase the number of prostate checks you go for. There is an identified correlation between prostate cancer and a consistent overdose of folate.

**Rodney007** · 15th July 2009, 18:05

Originally Posted by James Deuce

Don't forget to increase the number of prostate checks you go for. There is an identified correlation between prostate cancer and a consistent overdose of folate.

have you got proof?

**James Deuce** · 15th July 2009, 18:11

Why, yes.
http://www.webmd.com/prostate-cancer...te-cancer-risk

http://jnci.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/c...bstract/djp019

http://www.medicinenet.com/script/ma...ticlekey=98438

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/wa...e_cancer_risk/

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/life/article976033.ece

http://www.prostatecancerfoundation....ancer_Risk.htm

http://medicineworld.org/stories/lea...ncer-risk.html

Now bear in mind that in NZ no one gives a fuck if men die of Prostate cancer, and also bear in mind that I said a consistent overdose of folic acid has been fingered as contributing to an increased chance of prostate cancer.

Folate has been identified as micronutirent that improves cell division, however cancer cells, particularly those involved in prostate cancer have been shown to increase their folate receptors to help power cancer cell division.

**Naki Rat** · 15th July 2009, 18:49

Originally Posted by James Deuce

Don't forget to increase the number of prostate checks you go for. There is an identified correlation between prostate cancer and a consistent overdose of folate.

Originally Posted by Rodney007

have you got proof?

Well folate aides rapid cell growth (e.g. embryos, tumours), so what is it you don't understand?

**ynot slow** · 15th July 2009, 19:13

Ireland and Britain have postponed their folic acid compulsion pending tests and more research,due to the possible causes of both Colon and Prostate cancer,so the Colon cancer is a big concern due to both sexes being able to get colon cancer.And as colon cancer is the biggest cancer to kill in NZ makes for food for thought,and no need to rush in.

And Key thinks it is not needed,so maybe the minister for food safety should say,well it isn't safe we don't need it.

**James Deuce** · 15th July 2009, 19:19

Folate is "safe" though, and women should supplement during preganancy simply to stop their hair from falling out. As far as treatment for neural tube defects, the spine forms in the first month of foetal development. If your folic acid levels aren't optimal at conception, subsequent supplmentation isn't going to help offset an increased chance of neural tube defects.

What isn't safe is overdosing on Folic Acid (the artificial version of folate) or folate. Micro nutrients need to be part of a balanced diet, and the research around micro nutrient supplementation and cancer treatment has highlighted that too much of a good thing can actually make cancer more aggressive.

**Motu** · 15th July 2009, 19:50

No wonder Labour turned this country into a Nanny State - everyone welcomed it with open arms!

**Mom** · 15th July 2009, 19:59

Nice comments JD! I agree totally. Folate is safe, and is available to you through a well managed diet, or supplements should your diet not be sufficient in something that you know will help prevent something like neural tube defect when you conceive.

I guess my biggest spin and the message I want to really get across here is be aware! Take notice. Educate yourself. Dont sit back and allow the government of the day to medicate you willy nilly with what ever new and improved supplement there is out there.

I read there are breads already available with a high folic acid content, yes there are. But, it is naturally derived, not friggen added by a less than awake, apprentice baker at source (my apologies to all the apprentice bakers that are awake too, before I get hammered).

You guys are far too laid back with your own health sometimes. This additive has shown the ability to increase the rate of prostate cancer growth. I cant get that, but you know I am concerned enough about it to say NOPE! I dont want it in my daily bread.