'He killed girlfriend due to emotional pain', court told

[vifferman]

Did anyone at all actually believe this guy had any kind of case?

He did, I think.
It seemed to consist of "she pissed me off greatly, and was a horrible slutty person, which I then went to remonstrate with her about. She then (allegedly) attacked me with scissors, so I was just defending myself. It's her that's at fault."

At the end of the day I don't think anyone gives a rat's banana for Sophie Elliot.

Yeah, I do.
She looked OK, and I think it is sad she is dead.
OTOH, Yuman Beenz have a 100% mortality rate. You have to go sometime.
I guess that most of us would prefer it to not be suffering death by mutilation.

[James Deuce]

Well, I give a fuck about people getting murdered, and being the target of violent acts.

Jaded much?

My personal experience would lead me to believe that it is the rare individual that will purposefully and meaningfully help people in need. Standing around (literally and figuratively) ranting abut "victims rights" and "sensible sentencing" is not particularly helpful.

Most people who have unfairly been the "victim" of an injustice that affects their quality of life, or out and out violent crime quickly realise the futility of bearing the perpetrator any ill-will. You have to get on with your life. Defining your life by bad stuff can only have one ending. Have a look at TGW. She's trying to make a difference for everyone, not focussing on punishing a drunken murderer.

[Headbanger]

My personal experience would lead me to believe that it is the rare individual that will purposefully and meaningfully help people in need. Standing around (literally and figuratively) ranting abut "victims rights" and "sensible sentencing" is not particularly helpful.

Most people who have unfairly been the "victim" of an injustice that affects their quality of life, or out and out violent crime quickly realise the futility of bearing the perpetrator any ill-will. You have to get on with your life. Defining your life by bad stuff can only have one ending. Have a look at TGW. She's trying to make a difference for everyone, not focussing on punishing a drunken murderer.

Yeah, I think your pin-holing people, But never mind.

You can take any stance you like without it dictating and ruining your life. Having been at the receiving end of extreme violence myself, Do I spend my life being torn up about it?, No, not once I got over the hump.

Would I give my approval to have the person hung? Yep, Hang em high.

[Cheshire Cat]

Patrick Bateman anyone?

[James Deuce]

Umm, you're really struggling to understand me aren't you. In neither example you quoted did I say what you thought I did.

Neither did I say I didn't care.

I was supporting your stance, not putting words in your mouth. You've reacted quite oddly.

[jrandom]

Patrick Bateman anyone?

Remind me to show you my business card sometime.

The Middle Ages have ended and the mono-browed retribution freaks need to get over it.

Best sentence posted in this thread so far. Including any of my own.

You've reacted quite oddly.

It's rational discussion, Jim, but not as we know it.

[Mully]

The Spanish Inquisition is no longer recruiting.

I wasn't expecting that.

[Cheshire Cat]

Umm, you're really struggling to understand me aren't you. In neither example you quoted did I say what you thought I did.

Neither did I say I didn't care.

I was supporting your stance, not putting words in your mouth. You've reacted quite oddly.

the best thing to do about him?

OFF WITH HIS HEAD!!!

[Winston001]

I wasn't expecting that.

Noone expects the Spanish Inquisition!!

Our chief weapon is making you listen to Judith Ablett-Kerr for 13 days without rest.

[Winston001]

I see there is now calls for a review of using provocation as a defense. About time. Surely in this "civilised" day and age people can learn other ways of coping with real or perceived acts of provocation without resorting to killing them.

Its been raised by the Law Commission for 10 years, ever since the "battered woman" defence was invented. By Judith Ablett Kerr by coincidence. Provocation should be a sentencing matter, not an excuse.

I'd say he was a straight up candidate for preventative detention...or am I missing something about the requirements for PD?

Murder = Life imprisonment. Parole can be granted from about 10 years in, so the question will be what sort of non-parole period will be imposed. Maybe 14 years, 20 years tops, but there are worse murders.

Preventive Detention requires previous convictions of a serious nature. Unavailable here.

[peasea]

I wasn't expecting that.

No one expects that.

[peasea]

Noone expects the Spanish Inquisition!!

Our chief weapon is making you listen to Judith Ablett-Kerr for 13 days without rest.

Bugger, you beat me to it. I'm not feeling well though. (Especially after that lot.....)

[Skyryder]

I reckon he will top himself before Christmas. Remember this post...

I reckon someone else will.

Remember this post.


Skyryder

[buffstar]

If you have a 'bad dog' that attacks ppl - you put it down (or the lawmakers do) - a dog is generally pretty stupid: they act on instinct, dont consider consequences etc etc.............IMO thats a good call - put the fucker to sleep. Yes?
WHY dont we apply the same rules to ppl? not all ppl that have been accused of murder - and to whom some doubt still remains - but the ones to whom there is no defence, like this guy, like the fuckwitts who killed Nia Glassie.

I dont pretend to be hugely clever so cant give a heap more examples (short/long term memory are pretty crap too which dosnt help) and Im sure that there will be ppl who dont agree with my opinion, which if Im honest is coming directly from my own emotional reaction to this sort of thing......

I just find it really fucked up and sick that this arseclown is getting so much coverage in the media and in forums like this. I find it really sad that his propoganda and ravings about Sophie are being aired to the country - Her poor fkn family have surely been through enough hell????? and we all have an opinion.......

I reckon kill him and others like him

[Virago]

Did anyone at all actually believe this guy had any kind of case?

Even his legal represenation did not appear as being convinced or convincing.

Agreed - and yet his defence counsel went through the motions of attacking the victim and her family.

I often wonder how well these lawyers sleep at night.