If your job was to reduce road deaths what would you do?

[White Boots]

Lots and lots of sand run off`s

[SMOKEU]

And start heavily targeting people who drive slowly just for the sake of it and don't pull over to let people pass.

[nosebleed]

the problem with ATGATT is that it wont protect you at speed, of course good equipment has impact and abrasion resistant stuff but anything above 50km/h or so and its bye bye birdy.

Aye? bye bye which birdie?

Are suggesting that a bin at +50kph with ATGATT = instant death? coz if you are then the fact I'm typing this is proof that you are wrong.

As for the original Q:
Compulsory motorcycle riding for the first 6 months to EVERYONE getting a new licence. Be it on a scooter or a bike, doesn't matter, the first 6 months on the road is on 2 wheels.

And since my own income will be based on a ratio of motorcycles to injuries, then I'll reclassify makes/models/sizes of bikes in order to fudge those figures... just like having less Unemployment stats because they shifted numbers on to Sickness Benefits and vice versa.

[Shaun]

Aye? bye bye which birdie?

Are suggesting that a bin at +50kph with ATGATT = instant death? coz if you are then the fact I'm typing this is proof that you are wrong.

As for the original Q:
Compulsory motorcycle riding for the first 6 months to EVERYONE getting a new licence. Be it on a scooter or a bike, doesn't matter, the first 6 months on the road is on 2 wheels.

And since my own income will be based on a ratio of motorcycles to injuries, then I'll reclassify makes/models/sizes of bikes in order to fudge those figures... just like having less Unemployment stats because they shifted numbers on to Sickness Benefits and vice versa.

To Quote you

As for the original Q:
Compulsory motorcycle riding for the first 6 months to EVERYONE getting a new licence. Be it on a scooter or a bike, doesn't matter, the first 6 months on the road is on 2 wheels.



That is the very best way of making all a lot safer out there.
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[mashman]

make it compulsory for every bike to come with one of these!!!

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...d.php?t=104947

[AllanB]

If you agree with the saying 'speed kills' then put speed restricters on everything. With huge fines if tampered with.

Oh say 130 tops maybe to give a bit of lee-way for passing (even though you are not meant to exceed 100 when passing).

Although I personally don't want to see the above I would be very interested to see if the national road death count was lowered if this was in place.

Being a resourceful lot, I'm pretty sure we could still find inventive ways to maim each other while restricted in speed.

At the end of the day we are a aggressive lot of drivers in NZ and the existing licensing system does nothing in the way of on-going training.
I'd probably fail my license if I had to sit it again tomorrow as I suspect would a high percentage of us.

[imdying]

Get rid of these stupid laws and bring sensible ones in. This is a good example:
If someone is doing a burnout in a stationary position with 1 or 2 wheels spinning, then they can get their car automatically impounded for 28 days, a court appearance and 3 months license disqualification with a hefty fine and impound fees. Yet, if someone drives at 130kmh on the wrong side of the road around a blind corner, all they get is a fine and a few demerits. No loss of license, no court appearance. How can they justify that?

Actually, that's a shite example... Whilst in both cases it is up to the discretion of the officer who sees it, generally the scenario you describe would get the driver either careless misuse of a motorvehicle, with a fine and a disqualification, or dangerous, with fine, instant disqualification, and a court appearance... I'm not sure if they impound for dangerous these days though?

[The Pastor]

i'd ban all cars myself

[Flip]

The problem is attitude and how do you correct that with laws? Its a tricky argument!!

I find the biggest threats on the road are ignorance, arrogance and the "i don't give a shit" attitude.

We tolerate much and so does the law, that tolerance makes people careless.

These ideas are impractical but might work in the right direction:

1: Require practical testing every couple of years including:

• Advanced driving
• Vision testing
• Defensive driving

2: Make people who are transferring international licences sit the full licence test.
3: Make the license process and tests more comprehensive (like aussie)
4: More traffic cameras in towns and harsher penalties for things like failing to stop at a stop sign, indicating incorrectly etc etc (funding the other ideas)
5: Increase the open road speed limit to 110 and take the 10km/h tolerance away completely (like aussie)
6: Zero limit for alcohol - Zero tollerance for mind altering drugs (including strong painkillers)
7: Add demerit points to speed camera fines (like UK)

Someone said in a thread like this one "give all motorcyclists a gun, that'll increase awareness" hehe cool thought... but the implementation?

(ps, i am not flawless and i do break the rules on occasion)

I agree 100%

[ManDownUnder]

Identify and replace anything that predictably hurts motorcyclists. Cheese cutters come to mind.

Make off road riding training compulsory.

Make leathers, helmets and gloves compulsory

Ban motorycles

[vgcspares]

look through this thread it's obvious why we have speed limits (ineffective as they are) cos any other approach is way too contentious

[mynameis]

I'd ban all motorbikes, simple easy

[Marmoot]

Restricted License and Full License should have a milleage conditions instead of time-based conditions. Riders should only be able to move up rank after at least 10,000 kms. Not 6 months of having license and no bike.

[breakaway]

I'd get rid of all speed limits but keep other rules.

That way the useless drivers/riders will sort themselves out and only the best will survive.

[Tink]

+1 to the above.

I believe that the most effective way would be to to train the riders.

You can put ABS and all that flash stuff on bikes, make perfect roads, signpost everything accurately and correctly, make all drivers aware of bikes etc
But I reckon the biggest cause of motorcycle rider deaths is the rider on the bike.
Their skill set, attitude, understanding of what they are doing etc.

So my one would be just train the rider. Not just licence them. But TRAIN them.
Maybe a combination of Track days, trail rides, road riding and awareness.

my 2c

I would be in to learn some trail rides... its gotta be softer than landing on crap tarmac!

For a start, I would reduce the cause of traffic flow issues on the Auckland Motorway, Causing people to pop a fuse and drive badly and aggressively, by putting up a LOT of signs in the 27 different languages of the dam forign people living up that way that would REMIND them of the legal driving rules are ie

If NOT passing, get the -uck out of the Right lane

And re write the road rules to this below

Trucks to NEVER pass, and ALWAYS to stay in the left lane

This happening alone, would probally reduce deaths, and deffinatley help with the Auckland traffic flow issues?

So reducung traffic issues, will help stop people blowing fuses, causing bad dangerous driving

I was taught to drive the english way, polite, stay left, its called the overtaking lane, no trucks or busses in the right lane, and flash them if they are going to slow... 70km (right lane only)... mmm... and I always give way to bikes... but I still get irritated.... multicultural country as we are need to have 1. Full license for foreigners, first thing my danish hub did, went down the motorway the wrong way in a blardy mini!!! 2. Education, drivers about bikes, using mirrors, indicators, and bigger fines... never had a accident in 24 years touch wood... but I have been shit scared quite a few times.