Emergency Braking

[Chrislost]

My thoughts are that we should re-write the section on emergency braking, and base it on factual data rather than personal experience. This is because everyone has different views on the subject, and it is hard to debate those personal views. On the other hand, facts are more clear cut.

what...
like the fact that everyone rides differently?
as it([edit] wiki) stands now i believe further gains could be achieved by downshifting and using engine breaking rather then the foot brake, and possably teaching people how to back it into that driveway that the car just half-pulled out of...

[p.dath]

what...
like the fact that everyone rides differently?
as it stands now i believe further gains could be achieved by downshifting and using engine breaking rather then the foot brake, and possably teaching people how to back it into that driveway that the car just half-pulled out of...

They tested changing down, and found that you stopped faster if you didn't - because it took too long to do and that time was better used in the rest of the braking procedure. You have a limited amount of time, and using the rear brake instead produced a better result.

[dipshit]

do you know his pedigree?

Yes i know who he is. So what..???

[boomer]

And here lies the problem.

Yes i know who he is. So what..???

It must be quite difficult in your world.. do conversations never seem to end?

[dipshit]

It must be quite difficult in your world.. do conversations never seem to end?

You people are making my point for me without me having to say much.

[The Stranger:Me]

It must be quite difficult in your world.. do conversations never seem to end?

Well, it's a "fact" that skidmark can stop from 60kph in 2m.
I think we can comfortably put dipshit in the same group as skidmark.

[p.dath]

what...
like the fact that everyone rides differently?
as it([edit] wiki) stands now i believe further gains could be achieved by downshifting and using engine breaking rather then the foot brake, and possably teaching people how to back it into that driveway that the car just half-pulled out of...

They also tested a group of riders, and found the procedure for stopping in the shortest distance was the same amongst those riders. So that issue that people ride differently doesn't seem to affect it much.

[Disco Dan]

You people are making my point for me without me having to say much.

Well done dipshit

[The Stranger:Me]

They also tested a group of riders, and found the procedure for stopping in the shortest distance was the same amongst those riders. So that issue that people ride differently doesn't seem to affect it much.

Why do you persist in quoting a flawed study and steadfastly refusing remove you head from the sand to even acknowledge the flaws?

[Chrislost]

They tested changing down, and found that you stopped faster if you didn't - because it took too long to do and that time was better used in the rest of the braking procedure. You have a limited amount of time, and using the rear brake instead produced a better result.

what if one was to be like, changing down as they used the front and rear brakes?
would they not stop within .5 of a m of the other guy AND be in a position to save their bike should a truck be doing 100km.h behind them?

[edit] Can you please explain to me what the "rest of the procedure" is?

[dipshit]

I think we can comfortably put dipshit in the same group as skidmark.

So because a guy that's good at going around and around in circles fast, say something... then without question you take it as gospel..???

I see how this works now. Someone with lots of photos of themselves on a race track is more superior to someone with only a couple of photos of themselves on a race track... who is more superior to people with no photos of themselves on a race track.

At least that's how the world must work for you guys.

[boomer]

So because a guy that's good at going around and around in circles fast, say something... then without question you take it as gospel..???

I see how this works now. Someone with lots of photos of themselves on a race track is more superior to someone with only a couple of photos of themselves on a race track... who is more superior to people with no photos of themselves on a race track.

At least that's how the world must work for you guys.

your logic is flawed..are you female?

i do, however, believe an instructor who uses his practical skills daily in addition to his theory may know a thing or two.

you even put forward arguments like a woman ! :fag:

[Disco Dan]

The world according to a dipshit:

So because a guy that's good at going around and around in circles fast, say something... then without question you take it as gospel..???

I see how this works now. Someone with lots of photos of themselves on a race track is more superior to someone with only a couple of photos of themselves on a race track... who is more superior to people with no photos of themselves on a race track.

The world according to everyone else:

I see how this works now. Someone who talks a load of crap is less superior to someone who does not talk a load of crap.

[R6_kid:Me]

So because a guy that's good at going around and around in circles fast, say something... then without question you take it as gospel..???

I see how this works now. Someone with lots of photos of themselves on a race track is more superior to someone with only a couple of photos of themselves on a race track... who is more superior to people with no photos of themselves on a race track.

At least that's how the world must work for you guys.

When emergency braking (as in very hard) from any decent speed, on a modern(ish) (sports)bike it is likely that the rear wheel will not be in touch with the ground.

I've got lots of pics of me on the track so you'd better listen to what I have to say.

[p.dath]

Why do you persist in quoting a flawed study and steadfastly refusing remove you head from the sand to even acknowledge the flaws?

I do agree with you that using outriggers, and putting a additional weight on the back of the bike might have an impact. I guess the question is the size of the impact.

The outriggers were used to protect the riders. Otherwise you can be certain some of them would have came off while trying to work out the best way to stop in the shortest distance.

The box was needing to caring the instrumentation they used.

It would have been useful if they tried deliberating adding more weight to the back of the bike to see how much of an effect it had. Then we would have an impression of the effect their box was having.

Do consider though that they did use a group of riders, and those riders would all have had different weights, and that the difference in weights between those riders did not impact the results. They also used bikes of different weights, and that did not affect the outcome either.


So I don't agree that it invalidates the study, or that it is flawed as a result - but do acknowledge that my measuring the experiment they would have affected it.