Man down, man down... chappy's report

[neil_cb125t]

Sweet as then - all post classic and classic riders should wear of the era leathers and helmets and ride on radial tyres. Also all the paint has to be lead based and be of only colours that the bike came out in - because it has look to be of the era..........

The Britten, made in 1989 note the fairings on this machine....

We are racing - this is not a show and shine competition- i am beating people on a machine that is a 1989 h1 zxr400 - no ttx rear shock - no special brakes- no light weight rims. and it has fibre glass fairings ....

i know of a XR500 that runs 3 spoked rims with slicks.... did an XR500 even come out with road rims?? let alone before 1989..... now do those road rims ( which are light wieght race ones ) giving it an advantage??

FUCKEN OATS IT IS!!!

This would be a complete misinterpretation of the issue!Who said it was an advantage??If or when you get round to reading the rulebook(Which you should have done before going racing,NOT 2 years after)You will see the issue is a ZXR400H was not available in 1989 with a 2000 and something tailpeice for reasons Im sure you can figure out,Therefore it cannot be a true representation of the era as is required.The rules are the rules!

[neil_cb125t]

Futher more if i take my fairings off the bike wont look of the era either!! making me illegal... by your brillaint take on the the rules which i did read 4 years ago- and again before a purchased a zxr400h1........ to enter postys in, which i did for 2 years including Wanganui and Nelson street racers.

with no fairings ill still beat anything under 1000cc in posties - just ask everyone with more than 1000cc...

or is that your problem??

This would be a complete misinterpretation of the issue!Who said it was an advantage??If or when you get round to reading the rulebook(Which you should have done before going racing,NOT 2 years after)You will see the issue is a ZXR400H was not available in 1989 with a 2000 and something tailpeice for reasons Im sure you can figure out,Therefore it cannot be a true representation of the era as is required.The rules are the rules!

[mossy1200]

I was reminded of the 1989 Cagiva V589 gp 500 bike.The tail shape looks similar.The problem with period styling and not having fairings specific to the model as a rule(fairings in keeping with but not specific)is that any tail shape that was in use should accepted.

[Billy]

Sweet as then - all post classic and classic riders should wear of the era leathers and helmets and ride on radial tyres. Also all the paint has to be lead based and be of only colours that the bike came out in - because it has look to be of the era..........

The Britten, made in 1989 note the fairings on this machine....

We are racing - this is not a show and shine competition- i am beating people on a machine that is a 1989 h1 zxr400 - no ttx rear shock - no special brakes- no light weight rims. and it has fibre glass fairings ....

i know of a XR500 that runs 3 spoked rims with slicks.... did an XR500 even come out with road rims?? let alone before 1989..... now do those road rims ( which are light wieght race ones ) giving it an advantage??

FUCKEN OATS IT IS!!!

Well if youve got an issue regarding the eligibility of another machine,Do something about it IE approach the technical rep,NZPCRA or lodge an official protest with the MNZ steward at the meeting.
Assuming you are talking about the Total motorcycles XR500,Every modification he has made too that bike he has sought clarification and got approval from the NZPCRA!!Ring them and Im sure theyll clarify the eligibility for you and while your there you can tell them all the other things theyve got wrong and theyll fix them just for you.GOOD LUCK,I already tried that

[Billy]

I was reminded of the 1989 Cagiva V589 gp 500 bike.The tail shape looks similar.The problem with period styling and not having fairings specific to the model as a rule(fairings in keeping with but not specific)is that any tail shape that was in use should accepted.

I fully agree with you,But unfortunately there are some people on the NZPCRA that dont see it that way and they make the rules.Another one that irks me is,Why should only the ZXRs be allowed to run upside down forks when the rules say the age of the bike is determined by the youngest major part of which the forks are one.Therefore FZRs and CBRs should be able too run ZXR forks as well??

[Billy]

I dont understand are you attacking me because i have an opinion?

Attacking or pointing out however you want too interpret it is fine by me.You clearly had done no research whatsoever on the subject and your opinion was wrong,Rule no 25-2-6 in the post classic section will clarify that for you.I agree wholeheartedly with your theory however the rulebook rules

[Billy]

Futher more if i take my fairings off the bike wont look of the era either!! making me illegal... by your brillaint take on the the rules which i did read 4 years ago- and again before a purchased a zxr400h1........ to enter postys in, which i did for 2 years including Wanganui and Nelson street racers.

with no fairings ill still beat anything under 1000cc in posties - just ask everyone with more than 1000cc...

or is that your problem??

No not at all.If you can win a Superbike race on the same bike,More power too you.I dont make the rules or enforce them but I do make a point of reading them,Which you clearly did not,Or you would have read rule no.25-2-6 in the post classic section.Of course that would have been difficult 4 years ago cause they werent on the MNZ website back then

[MOTOXXX]

.Another one that irks me is,Why should only the ZXRs be allowed to run upside down forks when the rules say the age of the bike is determined by the youngest major part of which the forks are one.Therefore FZRs and CBRs should be able too run ZXR forks as well??

Understand where you are coming from but they can run usd forks because they came out on the bike standard.

your allowd to do internal work to the forks so standard non usd ones can be made to be better than the standard kwaka usd ones. I know Paul did very well on his CBR400 with standard forks.

i've got the same delema as neil as i have the same tail piece, BUT my bike Still has OEM road zxr fairings (red and black ones)

I would argue that anyone looking at my bike would know its a 1989 zxr400 becasue all of the front fairings are the original road farings from 1989 so im in keeping with the spirit of the class.

[Billy]

Understand where you are coming from but they can run usd forks because they came out on the bike standard.

your allowd to do internal work to the forks so standard non usd ones can be made to be better than the standard kwaka usd ones. I know Paul did very well on his CBR400 with standard forks.

i've got the same delema as neil as i have the same tail piece, BUT my bike Still has OEM road zxr fairings (red and black ones)

I would argue that anyone looking at my bike would know its a 1989 zxr400 becasue all of the front fairings are the original road farings from 1989 so im in keeping with the spirit of the class.

PM sent on this issue

[roadracingoldfart]

Taken from MNZ website......
Post Classics section. Pre 89.
25-2-6 Fairing
Fairing and streamlining is permitted if they are of the type and style in keeping with the period of competition.

The type of fairing / tailpiece on #176 is a solo seat assy made of fibreglass and covers the subframe . That to me is the same TYPE and STYLE of anything i used in the 80s. What does it matter when it is made as the only components age sensitive are "major components".


Motorcycles Technical section......

10-11-1 For other types of competition, streamlining can be permitted. The width of which at front
does not exceed the width of the handlebar by more than 10cm. The front most point of
the streamlining must not project in plan more than 10cm past the centre of the front axle.
The front wheel, with the exception of the tyre and the part covered by the mudguard, must be clearly visible from each side. For reasons of historical accuracy, machines covered by chapter 23 are exempted from frontal rules provided this is mentioned in the supplementary regulations for the meeting. The same requirements apply equally to the rear of the streamlining, the rearmost point of which must not project in plan more than 30cm beyond the rearmost point of the tyre.

Chapter 23 deals with "Classics " not "Post Classics ", the pre 89s have thier seperate guidlines i believe , therefore the tailpiece on # 176 is allowable under the descriptive rules and the technical rules.

Isnt that a fair interpritaion ????

Paul.

[roadracingoldfart]

Understand where you are coming from but they can run usd forks because they came out on the bike standard.

your allowd to do internal work to the forks so standard non usd ones can be made to be better than the standard kwaka usd ones. I know Paul did very well on his CBR400 with standard forks.

i've got the same delema as neil as i have the same tail piece, BUT my bike Still has OEM road zxr fairings (red and black ones)

I would argue that anyone looking at my bike would know its a 1989 zxr400 becasue all of the front fairings are the original road farings from 1989 so im in keeping with the spirit of the class.

My forks worked well because im fuggin good and spent 5 years getting them dialled in , ok so im slow but methodical lol.

Its your gay boot colour that confuses me , not the bike colour

[quickbuck]

Impressive...
A Race report with SIX pages of feedback!!!

Roll on next weekend....

And I have a plan!
A plan so cunning you could pin a tail (fairing) on it and call it a........

Well, we will see.

[Billy]

Taken from MNZ website......
Post Classics section. Pre 89.
25-2-6 Fairing
Fairing and streamlining is permitted if they are of the type and style in keeping with the period of competition.

The type of fairing / tailpiece on #176 is a solo seat assy made of fibreglass and covers the subframe . That to me is the same TYPE and STYLE of anything i used in the 80s. What does it matter when it is made as the only components age sensitive are "major components".


Motorcycles Technical section......

10-11-1 For other types of competition, streamlining can be permitted. The width of which at front
does not exceed the width of the handlebar by more than 10cm. The front most point of
the streamlining must not project in plan more than 10cm past the centre of the front axle.
The front wheel, with the exception of the tyre and the part covered by the mudguard, must be clearly visible from each side. For reasons of historical accuracy, machines covered by chapter 23 are exempted from frontal rules provided this is mentioned in the supplementary regulations for the meeting. The same requirements apply equally to the rear of the streamlining, the rearmost point of which must not project in plan more than 30cm beyond the rearmost point of the tyre.

Chapter 23 deals with "Classics " not "Post Classics ", the pre 89s have thier seperate guidlines i believe , therefore the tailpiece on # 176 is allowable under the descriptive rules and the technical rules.

Isnt that a fair interpritaion ????

Paul.

Who mentioned chapter 23??

A fair interpretation???I would think thats up too the individual,Personally I like it and in fact a couple of years ago I built an FZR400/600 and fitted a Honda RS 250 2002 Tailpiece cause it looked good,But I always knew I wouldnt get away with using that tail at an NZPCRA sanctioned event.The fact is,The post classic rules clearly state,If you can prove it was available in the era then bring the proof with you and therell be no problem.The onus is on the competitor not the association and clearly there are people within the association that are not happy with this tail.I would suggest if Neil wants too do something about it,He contacts the Post classic register and deal with it there.

[neil_cb125t]

Who mentioned chapter 23??

A fair interpretation???I would think thats up too the individual,Personally I like it and in fact a couple of years ago I built an FZR400/600 and fitted a Honda RS 250 2002 Tailpiece cause it looked good,But I always knew I wouldnt get away with using that tail at an NZPCRA sanctioned event.The fact is,The post classic rules clearly state,If you can prove it was available in the era then bring the proof with you and therell be no problem.The onus is on the competitor not the association and clearly there are people within the association that are not happy with this tail.I would suggest if Neil wants too do something about it,He contacts the Post classic register and deal with it there.

Hey PM sent - yes long story cut short i have been waitin for NZPCAs answer for 3 months..... apologies for getting my tits in a tangle - more detailed in pM

[mossy1200]

Every time I read the rules my interp is in KEEPING WITH THE STYLE.
Visually the tail looks similar in style to the 1989 GP500 bikes and nowhere does it say in keeping with the road version era style.
If so would this mean the OWO1 1989 race tail I have on my FZR1000 is also not acceptable.
I have a problem when lines get drawn at the title contenders bike.My belief is its not the only tail piece in pre89 that is a mould or adaption from a later model bike.
If challenged then proof of a similar style used in or before 89 should be all that required.End of enquiry.