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    Quote Originally Posted by James Deuce View Post
    I already thought of that 200 posts ago. Keep up!
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    Quote Originally Posted by scumdog View Post
    Nice troll but just in case any KB numpty gives any credence to what you have posted:

    As peasea rides off into the distance the cop mutters "I gave that dude $150 ticket for not wearing his helmet but man I ever fucked off 'cos I can't give him any demerits"

    Pfft, like THAT'S ever going to happen, as if any cop even cares......he's handed out his ticket, no credit for dishing out demerit tickets.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MSTRS View Post
    Why would the MOT have authority in cases like this? When it is be their job to advise and enforce only.
    What I mean is, if you don't get a reply from NZTA...
    Then perhaps you go up to the next level, it's like anything isn't it?
    Not happy with the service, you ask for the manager.

    At the very least this may encourage NZTA to respond to enquiries and/or submissions.
    Again, I have never dealt with NZTA, only MOT! So I can only base my opinion on that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scumdog View Post
    Crash at Invercargill last night at 6:30pm

    Motorbike heading down road, car pulls out of driveway.

    Only spots bike at last moment and stops.

    Bike didn't.

    Rider has leg injuries.

    Bike did not have headlight on.

    Maybe the lights-on law might have prevented this??
    Maybe he should have had his headlight on anyway? Dusk is about 6.30 at this time of year, sunset is before 6.00. Don't you have to put your lights on 30 mins after sunset? Pretty close one.

    Maybe he might have avoided a crash with a lights on law but in my experience cars are still going to pull out because of carelessness and arrogance. Heaps of drivers don't give a crap about bikes headlight or not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MaxB View Post
    Maybe he should have had his headlight on anyway? Dusk is about 6.30 at this time of year, sunset is before 6.00. Don't you have to put your lights on 30 mins after sunset? Pretty close one.

    Maybe he might have avoided a crash with a lights on law but in my experience cars are still going to pull out because of carelessness and arrogance. Heaps of drivers don't give a crap about bikes headlight or not.
    ghah, thud!
    THAT is the whole purpose of my post - to point out a hard-wired headlight would very likely have prevented the crash.
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    I was replying to the bit below.

    Quote Originally Posted by scumdog View Post
    Maybe the lights-on law might have prevented this??
    My point was that his mistake was already covered under existing laws. It was dusk he should have had his lights on. Nothing to do with the new law.

    I take your point that a hard wired headlight would have saved his forgetting but they are still not compulsory under the new law.

    Maybe the pain will teach the rider a lesson?

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    Quote Originally Posted by zeocen View Post

    Not sure why you would want them to turn their headlights off? Not attacking your statement, just seriously interested in why.

    Edit - I think they're actively endorsing this, also. I noticed on a trip to Whangamata the, "Power Nap" signs have been replaced with headlight-on signs.
    Many NZ companies who have overseas liability insurance companies, are now being told to run with headlights on 24/7 for all company vehicles- it gets them a big discount on vehicle and public liability premiums and excesses-

    European trend- some study ages ago showed company vehicles with lights on all the time crashed less -
    Especially company employees, may of whom only drove the company truck/van/moped and had no private vehicle- the skills of these drivers were questionable from lack of regular use but the lights factor swung the majority opinion

    I was with a company the read into this and made us all go lights on daytime, back in 01!
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    Quote Originally Posted by scumdog View Post
    ghah, thud!
    THAT is the whole purpose of my post - to point out a hard-wired headlight would very likely have prevented the crash.
    I don't think it would have made a bit of difference, most cars don't even respond to your headlight, even if you are manually flashing it at them!

    Why do they make headlight and brake light oscillators illegal and pass a law like this?

    If every vehicle has their headlights on it's back to square one, what's the point of difference?

    More motorists today notice you if you have your light switched "off"! I know because I have tried that too!

    Has anything been done about the L plate 70kph law?

    I bet there were more submissions on that than anything else to do with bikes but have they acted on that?

    If people had respect for the road laws we wouldn't even be having this thread!

    The majority of drivers in NZ break the law at some time because they are not taken seriously, why? because most of them (the laws) are stupid and unfounded!

    We need a clean out, fewer laws and harsher "standard" penalties, consistent legal system and judicial response and support for the police and mutual respect will maybe, just maybe, be re-established!

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    Quote Originally Posted by oldrider View Post
    I don't think it would have made a bit of difference, most cars don't even respond to your headlight, even if you are manually flashing it at them!

    More motorists today notice you if you have your light switched "off"! I know because I have tried that too!!
    It WAS 6:30 at night in Invercargill John, well into headlight time, the driver would not have expected any vehicle without headlights on to suddenly hove into view!
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    Just regarding Cellphones.

    Not that long ago Paula Rose requested that roadusers use the *555 number, if I recall - it was around the fatal at Taupo, where the driver of the Mercedes had been witnessed driving like a munter - prior to the smash that killed another driver.

    She has also made comment on the law change regarding cellphones this week.

    Does she need to be putting out a press release advising road users what to do about *555? (If someone has already then I've missed it, if there is a link could someone please post? Cheers!)

    As I advocate the use of this, I'd like to be able to advise the public correctly!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by scumdog View Post
    It WAS 6:30 at night in Invercargill John, well into headlight time, the driver would not have expected any vehicle without headlights on to suddenly hove into view!
    Just another "death by vehicle" suicide mission then I guess!

    Can't remember, was he successful?

    "NO", Just checked again, car driver should have beat him to death with his wheel brace, then everybody would have been happy!

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    Quote Originally Posted by T.G.W View Post
    Just regarding Cellphones.

    Not that long ago Paula Rose requested that roadusers use the *555 number, if I recall - it was around the fatal at Taupo, where the driver of the Mercedes had been witnessed driving like a munter - prior to the smash that killed another driver.

    She has also made comment on the law change regarding cellphones this week.

    Does she need to be putting out a press release advising road users what to do about *555? (If someone has already then I've missed it, if there is a link could someone please post? Cheers!)

    As I advocate the use of this, I'd like to be able to advise the public correctly!!!
    I thought (forgive me if I'm wrong) that to use the cell phone for an emergency while driving was exempt. Shouldn't the *555 system only be used for emergencies, like getting drunks and other twats off the road asap?
    If that's the case, no problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StoneY View Post
    Many NZ companies who have overseas liability insurance companies, are now being told to run with headlights on 24/7 for all company vehicles- it gets them a big discount on vehicle and public liability premiums and excesses-

    European trend- some study ages ago showed company vehicles with lights on all the time crashed less -
    Especially company employees, may of whom only drove the company truck/van/moped and had no private vehicle- the skills of these drivers were questionable from lack of regular use but the lights factor swung the majority opinion

    I was with a company the read into this and made us all go lights on daytime, back in 01!
    Ah, I see where the confusion has come from. We've all heard the term 'Lights on, nobody home'...
    Management was alluding to this in an effort to have employees pay attention when driving. In typical braindead cager fashion, it was assumed that 'lights on' meant those of the car...in which case, said drivers could otherwise carry on as normal...
    Do you realise how many holes there could be if people would just take the time to take the dirt out of them?

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    Quote Originally Posted by peasea View Post
    I thought (forgive me if I'm wrong) that to use the cell phone for an emergency while driving was exempt. Shouldn't the *555 system only be used for emergencies, like getting drunks and other twats off the road asap?
    If that's the case, no problem.
    Looking even at this media report, it does look that way eh?
    Might check on it further, just to make triple sure
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