NZ Police - why do they do it?

**Tink** · 16th August 2009, 13:23

Who in fact sets the limits on the roads... do they do road tests, maybe when a road is widened or some great works have made it safer, does the speed increase, or decrease...

Are european autobahns better than ours that the speed is unlimited, or is it the NZ mentality of driving?

I have done 150km on the autobahn, felt slow!

**boomer** · 16th August 2009, 13:31

Originally Posted by smoky

some of you are sad, unable to actually read an comprehend!

I read and comprehended all your posts; just like the majority of folk in here.

You fooked up, a coppa sat squarely in front of you and you continue to break the law and then give him more work with ya WOF.

you want a cuddle or a pat on your back. !? KB's 'prolly not the best place to post these silly posts...

**smoky** · 16th August 2009, 13:36

thank you - it seems some people are unable to separate the issues

Originally Posted by Biggles08

Your right scumdog...its a natural feeling of injustice when something like this happens to us....HOWEVER...the point that he is so very articulately trying to raise here is a valid one worth discussing that keeps being misinterpreted...200mtrs from a change in speed limit is a bit on the 'off' side in my opinion. Especially considering the piece of road he is referring to (which I am very familiar with) which must have massive amounts of tolerance built into it as far as the set limit goes. It is not apparent why he insisted on proceeding with this ticket going on the presumption smoky was polite and explained his situation to the officer (ie he was travelling at 70-75kph all the way through the 70kph zone and was just accelerating to the 100kph zone when he was clocked). I understand the argument for and against set speeds/tollerances etc but this is not what smoky is questioning....why is it unable to be looked at in a plain, logical format at the time on the side of the road and have all the situational merits weighed up and a correct decision come to without the need to contest it (if you believe you have had an injustice done) later in court? It seems some police have had all their power of descresion magically removed at wellington in training.

Where smoky got ticketed is not a dangerous piece of road due to the speed he was doing. I'm pretty sure the officer who gave him the ticket knows this perfectly well too....yet ignored this and gave him the ticket regardless. This type of policing we can do without and as smokys original point is "NZ Police, why do they do it?"

Funny enough, I also received a ticket in pretty much the same spot about 3-4 years ago but I was a little further south already in the two lanes section...I was on the road by myself in the left lane (in a car) with no cars either travelling in the same direction as me or coming the other way. This was apart from a police car of course. I was given a ticket for 112kph in a 100kph zone. I was surprised that he gave it to me as I saw him and never thought twice about what speed I was doing as I was cruising safely. What really fucked me off was the completely unprovoked lecture he gave me about how my type of 'speeding kills' people. What sort of fuckwit does he think I am???? totally unprovoked, he started trying to justify his decision to give me this ticket because I was a menace to society thinking my driving was safe at this speed! This was while he was already writing my ticket. Needless to say I became very vocal on how my driving was no more dangerous to society than his Magnum PI moustache (didn't help really but he was a wanker and not because he was a cop...Because I bet he was a wanker before he became an officer). This is the point smoky is trying to raise I believe...why behave like this? Who's really there to watch their attitude? in reality.....no one.

**Drew** · 16th August 2009, 13:40

Originally Posted by smoky

thank you - it seems some people are unable to separate the issues

Ok then folks, smokey and his mates have said it's safe to do this, lets all ignore the law and follow them wherever them and their omnipotence may take us.

They are clearly right, because they have said the same thing so many fuckin times in this thread.

Stop saying we're not getting your point, and assume for a second we are, and are giving our counter to it. FUCK this is like pulling teeth.

**boomer** · 16th August 2009, 13:42

Originally Posted by smoky

thank you - it seems some people are unable to separate the issues

ok, so for stoopid me.. is this what's getting your goat?

why is it unable to be looked at in a plain, logical format at the time on the side of the road and have all the situational merits weighed up and a correct decision come to without the need to contest it (if you believe you have had an injustice done) later in court? It seems some police have had all their power of descresion magically removed at wellington in training.

Where smoky got ticketed is not a dangerous piece of road due to the speed he was doing. I'm pretty sure the officer who gave him the ticket knows this perfectly well too....yet ignored this and gave him the ticket regardless. This type of policing we can do without and as smokys original point is "NZ Police, why do they do it?"

**smoky** · 16th August 2009, 13:45

Originally Posted by Drew

The thread was started with the basic idea, that he deserved discretion.

It aint a fuckin right. You're rights on the road are clearly spelt out in the road code, with very little room for interpretation I might add.

And thats why I keep saying, you're missing the point
I understand what your saying, I don't disagree with what your saying
I did not talk about or expect any discretion, read it again;

Originally Posted by smoky

I just think giving people tickets for that kind of speed 200 meters from an open road sign is completely antagonistic, and just breeds contempt for the police.
.......should I just accept this kind of wanky behavior and not let it annoy me ?
What on earth does the cop think he's achieving? Policing people 200 meters away from an open road sign and a piece of road with no real dangers or hazards?

When the issue of discretion was raised I argued that you cant rely on discretion when cops have to meet quotas and KPI's

**scumdog** · 16th August 2009, 13:46

Originally Posted by smoky

thank you - it seems some people are unable to separate the issues

The usual cliches 'I was almost on the open road' 'The road is not dangerous there' 'It safer for me to watch the road instead of my speedo' 'I was just letting it slow down in it's own time' 'I was getting a run at the hill' 'My visor was steamed up and I could'nt read my speedo'

I wonder if I tried parallel whinges with IRD they would give me a tax cut?

**smoky** · 16th August 2009, 13:55

Originally Posted by jubilant

you are right the police here are anal about speed this i have found out the hard way, ...... i think his tone and attitude was the thing that pissed me off .....

i hope he was the odd one out, the bad apple but it seems from comments around this and other sites that its not ! a shame a real nice country apart from plod

I have driven/ridden on every continent, in so many different countries including Russia and Germany (supposedly the worst Police).

I lived over seas for a number of years - the contrast really stands out, our cops generally have the worst attitude you'll come across, we are over policed to the max.
And as we are slowly finding out, they are just as politically motivated and corrupt as anywhere else

**boomer** · 16th August 2009, 14:04

Originally Posted by smoky

I just think giving people tickets for that kind of speed 200 meters from an open road sign is completely antagonistic, and just breeds contempt for the police.
.......should I just accept this kind of wanky behavior and not let it annoy me ?
What on earth does the cop think he's achieving? Policing people 200 meters away from an open road sign and a piece of road with no real dangers or hazards?

ok.. so this is your point?

Firstly u make a statement, which im sure you're open to comments on
Then you ask two questions, i'm assuming not a rhetorical ones.
Then you make another statement.

so.. i deduct

You want to know if you should be angry or not...?! My view... hes probably pushing his luck; seeing whats on the road in NZ ( i.e. the state of the cars and occupants in Hamihole) he will get a hit 9 times out of ten.. in fact he got two hits of u.

and

You want to know what he thinks he's achieving...?! My view.. he catches 10 people speeding, lets 5 off and gets 3 wofs and 1 druggie.... not a bad hit rate. He's also seen to be actively policing a piece of road; a deterant.

Its a spot where he can be seen as being a pedantic pig, however because joe public think they can get away with it, he can pull them over and book 5 out of 10 (5 are happy, five are not ) BUT HE ALSO GETS THE OTHER goodies that come along with it... bad attitude, no WOFS, etc etc....

hes a traffic cop.. they dont play by any rules.. they nick u and your lucky if u get off. is it right.. NO.. but unless you put all your effort into a referendum the law wont change because you moaned on KB...

did i get it?

**smoky** · 16th August 2009, 14:20

Originally Posted by boomer

You want to know if you should be angry or not...?

Not angry - annoyed, I don't get angry about my own stupidity
(and yes it was stupid of me thinking I was so close to the open road that the cop wouldn't bother about it)

Originally Posted by boomer

You want to know what he thinks he's achieving...?! My view.. he catches 10 people speeding, lets 5 off and gets 3 wofs and 1 druggie.... not a bad hit rate. He's also seen to be actively policing a piece of road; a deterant.
............he can pull them over and book 3 out of 10 BUT HE ALSO GETS THE OTHER goodies that come along with it...

I understand that pulling over a number of people for minor infractions does result in picking up unsafe cars, un-licensed drivers, drugs, drunks, bla bla.... and that's all good.

This is the point I am getting at; why do it 200 meters from the open road sign, on that part of the road where there's no real issues, if you really wanted to have an impact why not go where the problems are - pull over and breath test people coming out of pub car-parks, if you're after drunks and drugs try river road, they don't take the main road, they sneak down the back roads.
Why don't they start paying a little more attention to burglaries - actually turn up to a few of them and take some prints or try to solve those crimes - they might actually catch the thieving bastards that plague Huntly West, actually investigate child abuse cases, spousal abuse........

But that's all to hard I suspect...

**boomer** · 16th August 2009, 14:42

Originally Posted by smoky

....
This is the point I am getting at; why do it 200 meters from the open road sign, on that part of the road where there's no real issues

But that's all to hard I suspect...

ok.. so now we have narrowed it down, stoopid me is getting closer to your point?

1. He's a traffic cop.. they dont do burglaries, sex or abuse cases.. they do traffic unless they' called in for other more normal more socially accepted important stuff where those normal coppers are under staffed.
2. the traffic cop.. see #1 above, knows that joe public think they will be given tolerance for minor speeding, hence he thinks they're an easy target hence he gets those other offenses too..
3. the traffic cop will usually only stumble over drunks, unless they target them with booze busses etc; Bars/pubs who have coppers sat out side of them will normally have the landlord complaning hes becoming a nuisance and scaring of patrons.. can he be more subtle please.
4. It may be traffic cops last day to fulfil his quota, and he knows that some NUMPTIES with NO WOF and SPEEDING 250 metres outside of a national speed limit zone will put him in the black...
5. He may be a narcissist, in which case you got busted twice cos of your stupidity, moaned like a cunt on KB, he got 2 points in his book/quota/kpi's, he got a huge fookin satisfying grin on his chops.. and maybe with time his inspector will see what hes been doing and stop that behavior....
6. THEY ARE THE LAWS, they're his daily objectives/goals; he's bending them to suit his purpose because the parameters he works within ALLOWS him to. Does that make the law an ass.. yes!

i think we know what your point(s) are and why you're having a KB thread moment... however because you're argument isn't received with the expected FOOK THE PIGS response.. i'm too stupid and will find it too hard to grasp your point..

IM A RETARD !

**caseye** · 16th August 2009, 15:13

Originally Posted by scumdog

The usual cliches 'I was almost on the open road' 'The road is not dangerous there' 'It safer for me to watch the road instead of my speedo' 'I was just letting it slow down in it's own time' 'I was getting a run at the hill' 'My visor was steamed up and I could'nt read my speedo'

I wonder if I tried parallel whinges with IRD they would give me a tax cut?

"It's worth a CRACK Nigel" LOL, but we both know it'll never happen.

**smoky** · 16th August 2009, 16:02

Originally Posted by boomer

1. He's a traffic cop.. they dont do burglaries, sex or abuse cases.. they do traffic unless they' called in for other more normal more socially accepted important stuff where those normal coppers are under staffed.

Perhaps that's part of the problem - putting resources in the wrong place, as I have previously suggested

You really do struggle to understand or think outside of your retarded brain don't you
If you could follow a conversation with out arguing purely because you have a built in arrogance that drives you to refute at all cost - rather than having a conversation with out abusing people (thanks for the red reps, how long did it take to give out all the other reps so you could give me more red?)

But you did get something right;

Originally Posted by boomer

.. i'm too stupid and will find it too hard to grasp your point..

IM A RETARD !

**smoky** · 16th August 2009, 16:04

Originally Posted by Drew

Stop saying we're not getting your point, and assume for a second we are, and are giving our counter to it. FUCK this is like pulling teeth.

You haven't offered any counter to it - you just keep stating the obviouse - which I don't disagree with!!!

**boomer** · 16th August 2009, 16:10

nope.. you're still a moaning minnie.

i understand fully you think the coppa shouldn't be sat in such a place where his actions will seem pedantic, callous or small minded; you think his time better spent elsewhere catching real criminals!
You think once caught he should have also let you off... with ya out of date WOF and so called speeding

WE UNDERSTAND.....!

Understand we're sick of people moaning about it on KB !