Rich families rort the system -FFS!

[oldrider]

It's just so fucking obvious who is responsible for the greatest abuses and exploitation.

Who do you think does the majority of the skimming, thieving and leeching - rich or poor?

Skimming, thieving and leeching, as you put it, happens right across the full spectrum of society!

Think about it, no one section of society has a monopoly on dishonesty!

And the only member of society that you have any influence over, regarding their behaviour, is yourself!

Can we trust you? only you can answer that! Personally, my judgement tells me that we most likely can!

I hope I am right, society desperately needs people like you!

[StoneY]

An attempt to exonerate the indefensible.

Fail.

Ummm more like epic?

[Hitcher]

I don't think I really need to ask it do I?

It's quite clear that you (like the majority of arsehole users of this forum) admire the kind of weasel [your words - enterprising] accounting practices that enable other arseholes to collect benefits that they really should have no entitlements to.

If you choose to overlay a veneer of bitterness that mirrors your prejudices and envy onto what was a non-committal statement on my part, then that is your problem, not mine.

Would you like a ladle of gravy for that pile of chips on your shoulder?

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Would you like a ladle of gravy for that pile of chips on your shoulder?

You might have a point there - you do get world weary when surrounded by a majority that are complicit (whether through ignorance or self interest) in supporting societal selfishness and injustice.

Vinegar and H.P sauce thanks

[Hitcher]

You might have a point there - you do get world weary when surrounded by a majority that are complicit (whether through ignorance or self interest) in supporting societal selfishness and injustice.

And here's me thinking that anybody you thought disagreed with you must be a "facist bitter old cunt".

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And here's me thinking that anybody you thought disagreed with you must be a "facist bitter old cunt".

And here's me thinking I have a right to be offended by a public insinuation that I am a wife beater. At least my personal attacks were just that: personal – and in response to you. But since you’ve made it public, I'm sure my retaliatory accusations of you are closer to the mark than yours of me.

The irony is that the guy that consistently calls on ad hominem attacks is one of the biggest proponents of the tactic

[Hitcher]

I see that subtlety and nuance is wasted on some.

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I see that subtlety and nuance is wasted on some.

A cheap shot's a cheap shot.

Have you thought political career? I reckon you could be far more plausible than Rodney.

[spacemonkey]

A cheap shot's a cheap shot.

Have you thought political career? I reckon you could be far more plausible than Rodney.

Apparently with his sense of entitlements he could even be the new Bill English!

[Grahameeboy]

And how, exactly, do you think rich families become rich families? They work out how things work and exploit it. The fault lies with the idiots who put the incentives there in the first place.

Dave

Not everyone exploits though so incentives or not we are not all incented (?)

[Grahameeboy]

It's not a crime. Period.

Can you clarify how it is "greed" when they are legally entitled to it? And are NZ's beneficiaries also greedy?

It's a moral crime...

[The Stranger:Me]

It's not a crime. Period.

Can you clarify how it is "greed" when they are legally entitled to it? And are NZ's beneficiaries also greedy?

The Concise Oxford Dictionary gives 2 apt definitions of crime in this circumstance as follows 1) an evil act, and 2) a shameful act. If you don't see that either of these may apply then I am sorry for you.

Greed has nothing to do with legality, there is nothing to clarify.
Greed is generally considered to be excess, if a beneficiary takes in excess then yes they are greedy.

The inference I take from your comments is that if it is not illegal it is not wrong.
Are people are so bereft of a moral compass that they are incapable of deciding for themselves right from wrong?

[The Stranger:Me]

dude, it isn't a "crime" of any sort.

I beg to differ.

[The Stranger:Me]

Bit like MP's perks really, innit..?

Yes, and no.
We get what we deserve. Have you ever heard Parliment debate their remuneration, retirement and perks packages? Probably not, the legslation is passed with incredible speed and usually recieves the full support of all parties - for some strange reason.
We put the cat in charge of the goldfish, we get what we deserve.

To be fair, they set a very low standard for the rest of us to follow, however there is no excuse for the rest of us to stoop to such a low level.

[MotoGirl]

The Concise Oxford Dictionary gives 2 apt definitions of crime in this circumstance as follows 1) an evil act, and 2) a shameful act. If you don't see that either of these may apply then I am sorry for you.

How is protecting your assets using a Trust an evil or shameful act?
I don’t see why people who act prudently should be penalised when irresponsible jackarses get given handouts. If you think this doesn’t happen, read on...

My grandfather lived in a retirement home for four years while he slowly disintegrated from Parkinson’s and Diabetes. Not only had my grandparents owned their own business but they had paid shitloads of tax and saved for their retirement. They never even had a mortgage for God’s sake – it was all cash in the bank.

Because they were sittin’ pretty, they had to fork out for grandad’s care –somewhere to the tune of $120,000. Meanwhile, my great-uncle– a raging alcoholic who had pissed everything away – was also in the retirement home and receiving the same standard of care, although his was paid for by the government.

Why should my great-uncle have been given a handout? He wasn’t “needy”, he was just a fuckwit who blew his money on things that weren’t necessities.