Rich families rort the system -FFS!

[Ixion]

Unfortunately everyone gets these benefits no matter how much they get deducted. In fact.. you get to enjoy the benefits that cost additional $$ if you pay no tax in the first place.


Pretty fooked up if you ask me; especially as the only real attractions in NZ are those that are fookin free.. the stuff the governments have provided are less than shit house standard compared to the rest of the world..!

True enough. Whether that's fooked up depends I guess on where you are in the financial pecking order.

As I said, if it gets too fooked up, people end up rebelling and changing it to something somewhat less fooked up. You get the chance (along with everybody else) every three years.

The distribution of the benefits within the society is also debateable. Like, that's what we're actually debating!

[MisterD]

You can exit out of it freely by fucking off to live in the jungle with other like minded creatures...

Either that or convince enough KBers and whoever else you'd need to vote for the ACT party.

Thankyou for illustrating my point...taxes are "pay or else" the social contract is a myth perpetrated by lefties who want ever greater control of our lives.

I'm arguing the extreme (actually more of a Libertarian POV) because I'd actually like to have a social contract where putting money into the pot gets you rights and taking money out of the pot gives you responsibilities...cos that sure ain't the case now.

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Thankyou for illustrating my point...taxes are "pay or else" the social contract is a myth perpetrated by lefties who want ever greater control of our lives.

Go back through history and see how it ended up that way....that's what people fought and died for.


As far as what you want: refer to my previous post......or Ixion's #98 (about democracy). You're outnumbered evidently.

[Hitcher]

To you Hitcher - I see you've shyed away from any kind of position on these matters, choosing instead to take pot shots at me. Fine. And no, I won't ask you for an apology for your cheap shots either. I wonder why one (who is normally so forthright and big mouthed) has gone quiet on this subject, instead falling back on personal discrediting games

You obviously haven't read everything I've posted in this thread and perhaps if you had asked a straight question, as I suggested some time ago, you may have got a straight answer. I resist answering loaded questions where either a yes or no answer is an equal admission of guilt -- the nuance you were so quick to pick up on when I enquired as to whether or not you had stopped beating your wife.

I haven't provided you with proof that I haven't "received payment or gratuity to which I am not entitled" because I can't (how the fuck could anyone do that on a forum?) However I can say that I am an honest person who has worked for what I have and that I have too much integrity and respect for others, than to take what I know (morally) I have no right to.

Can you say the same?

Yes I can. Is it true? To the best of my knowledge it is.

Standing on self-claimed moral high ground and taking cheap shots at folks is a tactic I, like you, am guilty of. Internet forums lend themselves quite nicely to such endeavour. However, when I overstep the mark and need to apologise to people, I do so genuinely without resorting to kicking them in the nuts in the process.

Can you say the same?

[MisterD]

You're outnumbered evidently.

Yep, that's sure what it feels like as a tax payer...

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However, when I overstep the mark and need to apologise to people, I do so genuinely without resorting to kicking them in the nuts in the process.

Can you say the same?

Absolutely - when I think I have overstepped the mark and an apology is deserved and/or appropriate.

Do I think this is such a case? Do I fuck. Go back and read through her posts if it isn't clear to you why

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Yep, that's sure what it feels like as a tax payer...

Yeah? Cause you are the only one of those whos opinion matters?

[MisterD]

Yeah? Cause you are the only one of those whos opinion matters?

No, not even the only one whos opinion matters to me, but the point remains that there is no f-ing social contract and the fact that so many people continue to suck it up is only testament to the pain level being kept to a tolerable level (wherein lies the art of taxation as Ixion pointed out).

As for democracy, can you really differentiate the Labour and National Parties? Successive governments have addicted the populus to the drip feed of hand-outs to the extent that they expect government to provide the solution everything...whatever happen to the self-reliant pioneer stock Kiwi?

That some of those who shoulder the tax burden should look to mitigate their losses is only to be expected...and no, I have no family trusts and receive no money from the government of any form, although my investments remaining in the UK remain undeclared (if mainly because it's just less hassle than filling out the forms).

[MacD]

John Key seems to agree it is a "rort"

Perhaps the State House boy is still in there?

[chef]

that is bowllll shiat!

[oldrider]

You can exit out of it freely by fucking off to live in the jungle with other like minded creatures...

Either that or convince enough KBr's and whoever else you'd need to vote for the ACT party.

ACT is just another left wing socialist "State Control" party! (Big government as opposed to Big Business))

They just happen to be a little bit more to the right of all the other "left of centre" socialist parties!

ACT are definitely not right wing!

Taxation "is" theft, (extortion actually) would you volunteer to pay if they did not use force to extract taxation from you?

Don't pay, go to jail! Extortion! State control! Big government! (control over individual freedom and expression) = Socialism!