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    Quote Originally Posted by motorbyclist View Post
    It's still no replacement for basic driver training.....


    And non-english speakers with an understanding of the road code is all good - until they're making your 111 call....
    I think the idea of them understanding the roadcode is to avoid getting to that 111 call in the first place.

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    I have always thought that allowing non-English speakers to have an interpreter for the road code test is dodgy to say the least. Unless certified professional interpreters are used (which would pose practical problems in smaller towns, as well as adding considerably to the cost) there is always the possibility of dishonesty.
    Many years ago I lived in France and at the time it was unthinkable that a foreigner might expect official forms and procedures to be available in his own language. If you couldn't speak and read French, tough. Not sure whether the same policy applies there today, but knowing the bloody-mindedness of the French I wouldn't be surprised. Why do we adopt a policy of bending over backwards to accommodate immigrants? It is they who need to make the effort to adjust to our culture and language. If someone can't understand English well enough to sit the road code test I don't think they deserve a licence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mekk View Post
    Key word: "shouldn't".

    Immigration NZ is a whole new can of worms...
    Fair play, hopefully they're dumb enough to let me in then!!

    on the computerised tests, we changed over in the UK some years ago, not heard any complaints about that from people doing the test though. I don't know anyone who works at the testing office so couldn't say how they feel about it.

    The implementation shouldn't be too hard, just a bunch of winterms running a basic image and a fullscreen app running. You 'should' (that keyword again!) be able to set it up so a monkey could do any administration...

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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeL View Post
    I have always thought that allowing non-English speakers to have an interpreter for the road code test is dodgy to say the least. Unless certified professional interpreters are used (which would pose practical problems in smaller towns, as well as adding considerably to the cost) there is always the possibility of dishonesty.
    Many years ago I lived in France and at the time it was unthinkable that a foreigner might expect official forms and procedures to be available in his own language. If you couldn't speak and read French, tough. Not sure whether the same policy applies there today, but knowing the bloody-mindedness of the French I wouldn't be surprised. Why do we adopt a policy of bending over backwards to accommodate immigrants? It is they who need to make the effort to adjust to our culture and language. If someone can't understand English well enough to sit the road code test I don't think they deserve a licence.
    They need to be LTSA approved translators, whatever the fuck that means.

    It's a tricky subject because of the sheer number of different cultures in our melting pot. It also depends on their level of skill and from which country they've come from.

    People who have come from certain countries don't have to sit any tests to transfer their licence over to ours which is fair enough I think. For example someone who has been driving for thirty years in France shouldn't have to undergo further tests because their driving system I imagine is quite similar to ours.

    It's only an issue for those that are transferring from countries where the driving system is a bit different (ie India) that require them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DangerousBastard View Post
    It won't be long before they are sitting on knees in the loo's doing scratchies.

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    I would hope they could read English like Give Way, Stop, No Entry...
    Symbols and signs! At least they should be understandable.
    I always thought it was hilarious that the powers that be changed "Give Way" to "Turn left at any time with care" Crikey, imagine some of the translations you could get from that. Even the American "Yield" would have been better if they really felt "Give Way" was too obtuse.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mekk View Post
    I think the idea of them understanding the roadcode is to avoid getting to that 111 call in the first place.
    oh yep, cause the current system is so effective at that

    (and to be fair it isn't necessarily going to be their fault)

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    My understanding is that the applicant sits the test with a phone in one hand, a pie in the other and has to make a creditable attempt at rearranging their hairstyle.

    On a lighter note, I asked my son if his partner, a delightful and attractive lady from the Philippines, has a driving licence, "yes", he said "she bought one in Manila" well, it made me laugh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mekk View Post
    They need to be LTSA approved translators, whatever the fuck that means.
    If it is anything like the Westgate licence test, that was on TV a while back... The main "approval" process will be the ability to take a backhander and pass someone who shouldn't really be behind a wheel.
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    I sat my learners on one of these computer 'scratch' tests last week. Not much different from when i did my car 'proper' scratch tests many years ago. The pictures are easier to see and when you pick your answer it asks if you are sure so there is little chance of a mistake. The only thing i found a bit tricky was the multi-choice answers were laid out in a four by four grid but they weren't laid out intuitively i.e.

    AB
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    they were randomised (I think) I rember going to hit B then realising that i was actually pressing D. Was a bit strange. Didn't stop me getting 35/35 mind you.

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    I know someone who sat the test three times in a row before passing - cost them a fortune but the fact they were given a pass despite clearly failing the first two times and barely scraping through the second, all in the space of an hour, is a bit of a concern

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    The Asian twat that opened his 4x4 door on me could,nt dial 111 cos he could,nt speak english!!! no english no licence I say....

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    Quote Originally Posted by thepom View Post
    The Asian twat that opened his 4x4 door on me could,nt dial 111 cos he could,nt speak english!!! no english no licence I say....
    Old age = No licence
    Woman = No licence
    Teenagers = No licence
    SUV drivers = No licence
    Cell phone users = No licence
    Drinkers = No licence
    Twat = No licence

    Oh hey it's KB, what else can we do apart from discussing how many bad drivers are out there?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mekk View Post
    Outrageous!
    Most of the people I mentioned it to came back with zenophobic "they should speak English if they're in an English-speaking nation" responses.
    And why shouldnt they? This is after all, an english country...

    Might help them understand the road rules a tad better too, mind you, I speak england well and i dont know the road rules, i just have bullbars

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    well I say BURN THEM!

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    i think new riders should be banned!

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