Encouraging ACC to support Trackdays in NZ

[Genestho]

Hey Guys

Some of you will know I am part of a Pilot group in NZ based around changing attitudes to Motorcycling and Road Safety, getting involved in lowering stats, with ACC backing (one of my many hats)

I have been given a chance to come up with and present ideas at a BADD/ACC Meeting next week, with open slather on ACC resources.

My first idea is to have ACC back Trackdays in NZ.

"Speed on the Track, not on the Roads"
With a list of upcoming Track days.
This will be presented through the BADDRally, and BADD 3 Hour Endurance Race - 27th December.

I have requested that ACC YOUTUBE their Group Riding info, rather than expecting Motorcyclists to write in for a free copy from the Ride Right Ride Safe site. Instant satisfaction.

I'd also like to promote wearing proper gear, vs jandals and jeans ( I see it all the time and cringe)

Any one else got any ideas?

[p.dath]

I suspect you need to put it in financial terms for ACC.

So by backing track days, it will cost ACC $ for the resulting accidents. But the saving from road accidents will be $.

At the end of the day, its a pretty simple financial decision for them.

[Genestho]

I suspect you need to put it in financial terms for ACC.

So by backing track days, it will cost ACC $ for the resulting accidents. But the saving from road accidents will be $.

At the end of the day, its a pretty simple financial decision for them.

Oh yea, that's a given. At this point it's an ideas meeting.

And I'd say it would start with promoting the Idea. As to how far it could extend, I couldn't say, but it's a foot in the door, which is a good thing.

[vifferman]

If it's just track days, I can't see there's much there to appeal to ACC, even with the "Speed on the track, not on the road" mantra. Supporting Advanced Rider Training days is a better proposition (even though they're effectively the same thing).

[Genestho]

To pull this off, I'd need access to track day dates from December 09 - December '10 (For instance) Is there a reliable source to get these dates from? Including as many Motorcycling tracks as poss?

[javawocky]

How about an ACC rebate on the levy? If rider attends X Advanced riding school in the year, they get a Y discount or rebate on motorcycle registration.

[Genestho]

How about an ACC rebate on the levy? If rider attends X Advanced riding school in the year, they get a Y discount or rebate on motorcycle registration.

Good idea dude, I would tend to put that in a submission, regarding ACC/CC levies in the "Safer Journeys" Consultation papers/Submissions over at MOT.

I'm sort of looking for things to promote safety, and the positive sides to Motorcycling, instead of all the negatives presented, through an event.

[Genestho]

If it's just track days, I can't see there's much there to appeal to ACC, even with the "Speed on the track, not on the road" mantra. Supporting Advanced Rider Training days is a better proposition (even though they're effectively the same thing).

Deleted above post regarding this, this idea is in the pipeline, as to how far it could extend, I can't say. Is there an accredited group, or groups that I could source? I don't see why we couldn't actively promote this as well.

Also, the more ideas I could present, the more chance we have of ACC backing something presented.

[James Deuce]

No. Absolutely not.

The only "trackdays" ACC should be supporting are days where a track is hired to work on specific bike control drills and training that specifically targets road skills.

The current NZ track day format of hooning around in circles until you fall off "so you can learn how to control your bike a high speed" is bollocks.

AN unsupervised track day teaches you nothing about road riding. ACC want accident stats down. WHy would they support track days that don't focus on ROad riding skills? Why SHOULD they?

[Genestho]

No. Absolutely not.

The only "trackdays" ACC should be supporting are days where a track is hired to work on specific bike control drills and training that specifically targets road skills.

The current NZ track day format of hooning around in circles until you fall off "so you can learn how to control your bike a high speed" is bollocks.

AN unsupervised track day teaches you nothing about road riding. ACC want accident stats down. WHy would they support track days that don't focus on ROad riding skills? Why SHOULD they?

Hmmm, so JD are you saying we should promote proper ROAD riding training?

The only reason I thought of Trackdays, are for the ones that pick the roads to hoon on, purely for hooning purposes (I know I'm generalising but say youth riders - no oncoming traffic, keeping testosterone off the roads) are there supervised trackdays?

I know the difference between roads and tracks, and the reasons why both are enjoyed.

[Genestho]

Doing a google searching Supervised Advanced Rider Training NZ, I found our very own Moto-tt Track days



"MotoTT trackdays are designed to cater for all riders, from learners to people born on two wheels. Riders are split into 4 groups depending on their experience and ability.

For the newer riders we offer a relaxed group (4). MotoTT staff circulate in this group (as well as group 3) wearing hi vis vests.


These staff keep an eye on the new riders and offer support, advice, show smooth lines and braking points. If you want you can follow the circulating lines bike for a few laps to learn good approaches to corners etc. Anyone wanting specific help is welcome to ask for a hi vis vest to wear, the lines staff will pay more attention to these riders…. Don't be shy, we'd love to help!"

[CookMySock]

Theres little or no point supporting "proper" road riding training. Average joe motorcycle rider doesn't need to know how countersteer deep into a corner or advanced braking, because he shouldn't be doing that - he should just slow down. Any higher-end skills are lost after two weeks because theres not enough repitition or the rider just does have the nuts to try it, or a safe environment.

Basic roadcraft is basic roadcraft, and 99% of people already have that. The ones that dont have it probably can't be taught it, or just dont give a fuck.

The ones to target, are those who WANT to speed and hare around like an idiot. Let them go for it where there is nothing to hit. If they fall off, they fuck their bike and bend their little finger backwards.. shrug.

ACC could offer vouchers for track time. Just write in and ask for them.

Steve

[Genestho]

ACC could offer vouchers for track time. Just write in and ask for them.

Steve

Worth an ask!

[p.dath]

To pull this off, I'd need access to track day dates from December 09 - December '10 (For instance) Is there a reliable source to get these dates from? Including as many Motorcycling tracks as poss?

Check out the racing calendar on this web site.

[Genestho]

Thanks, I'm letting my fingers do the walking... I was being lazy teehee!