Street Stock 250cc 4-stroke twins

[DarkLord]

I wouldn't say you "lean" the bike to the right, and it goes left. You push on the right handlebar, as in push it forwards, and the bike will dip to the left. Same as if you pull it towards you, it will dip to the right.

[gatch]

ok time to clear shit up some more

counter steering.. to turn the handle in the opisite direction you to go

left turn..
turn right to tip the bike to the left (keep the bars turned right and youll keep leang oh shit thers the track you just lowsided you fail!)

once youve got the bike at the correct angle for the turn and speed you turn in (turn left)

depending on speed thease movements are only 5 to 10 degres, its not much

No ! wrong, Fail !

If you do not keep pressure on the inside bar you may as well try and do a back flip off your bike, because to the innocent bystanders that's what it is going to look like.

well all those betting on me will be making a loss then! I'm not playing my horse is bigger than yours, it's pointless and won't prove anything.

So ? You've had your knee down though..

[kunoichi]

one knee down that was the cause of tucking in behind a busa does not count as a skill advancement. I havn't been able to do it since. I'm a decent rider, i think, but i don't exactly have the biggest of balls. Probably because i don't have the cash to back me up incase i fuck up tho.

[chaos rider]

No ! wrong, Fail !

If you do not keep pressure on the inside bar you may as well try and do a back flip off your bike, because to the innocent bystanders that's what it is going to look like.



So ? You've had your knee down though..

so you think you have the front wheel pointing right for a left hand turn?

ok ill find you some slow motion videos of bikes in corners

links here soon

[chaos rider]

i rest my case if you still want to argue i sugest you open a new thread

[chaos rider]

some people still counter steer or at least they still aply the same forces with their hands but the wheel dose turn into the corner.
its how it trys to corect the lean angle

in many cases once your in the corner its more productive to pull into the corner and to stop counter steering

[chaos rider]

another

wheel is almost straight through the corner but still turn in a bit

[cheesemethod]

http://www.motogp.com/en/videos/2009...at+Sachsenring

Note when the front wheel is in the air they are already countersteering for the next corner, the bike tips as soon as the front touches the ground.

[chaos rider]

http://www.motogp.com/en/videos/2009...at+Sachsenring

Note when the front wheel is in the air they are already countersteering for the next corner, the bike tips as soon as the front touches the ground.

yes but note the wheels are turning into the corner when their down

thanks for the link good example

[chaos rider]

more slowmotion shots of bikes turning into the corner

its hard to prove cuz no one looks down to see what angle they are actualy steering at

im shocked so many of you dont know about this

[cheesemethod]

yes but note the wheels are turning into the corner when their down

I would dispute that. It's easier to see with the second bike through, once the front wheel hits the ground and snaps straight, you see him recorrect to the right slightly, all in aid of turning left.

[chaos rider]

I would dispute that. It's easier to see with the second bike through, once the front wheel hits the ground and snaps straight, you see him recorrect to the right slightly, all in aid of turning left.

yes to bring the bike down but the wheel turns into the corner despite him countering

[cheesemethod]

yes to bring the bike down but the wheel turns into the corner despite him countering

:slap:

So, what, the forks twist or something? I don't understand how the wheel can turn into the corner if the rider is turning out.

[chaos rider]

:slap:

So, what, the forks twist or something? I don't understand how the wheel can turn into the corner if the rider is turning out.

no before that when he turns in he counter steers then the wheels turn in to try traighten the bike then you turn them some more and the bike lifts outa the corner

[cheesemethod]

You're ability to make sense seems to be inversely proportional to the time it takes you to explain something. So much so that I have now completely quit trying to comprehend your rantings, they make me feel somewhat seasick. I have come across many a personality like yourself before, chaos, and for your sake I will attempt to explain to you why you have pissed so many people off, as I'm sure you refuse to attempt any form of self-reflective thinking.

Despite the fact that you have so many skilled people willing to share their knowledge, you feel the need to deny any viewpoint that contradicts with your own. You have a personal obsession with being right, and attempting to prove other people wrong. I assume you feel some sort of self rightous glory every time you suggest that somebody else is wrong and that you are right.

This feeling of empowerment leads to a considerable amount of self delusion, ergo you begin to value your own opinions over the truth. This is why none of what you write makes any sense any more, you have given up all need to actually write something comprehensible, you solely write these things to exert the impression to everybody else that you are right.

However don't think I'm writing this out of some sort of ego trip, or spite. I simply enjoy watching you make an arse out of yourself in a public forum. I have no doubt that one day you will venture into the world of motorcycle racing, and I should imagine you will find that the world is a very small place. Nobody will want to help you out as you have already proven that the only opinion you value is your own. So good luck finding race coaches or mechanics or support crews in future, I think you're going to need it.