I don't get it?

[Biggles08]

Biggles,

From what i know of you you've been in the sport of racing for a relatively short space of time but seem to want to change an awful lot of things...

With respect you're going to find that a lot of people put a lot of time into running events for you and i to race at. Like me you will (I had) have dreams of making it to professional level racing but the reality is you will always remain an amateur and the sport will be your hobby.

I've raced at most levels and a hell of lot of people have volunteered their time as organisers/medics/marshals etc to provide events for me to enjoy 15 years of racing at from club to BSB racing. Along the way I've met many people some of whom I've not agreed with in terms of decisions most notable of which was the head or the ACU in the UK who was also head of one of the main UK clubs New Era.

I know Chris Costello from racing with the AMCC this past season and while he says it in an unusal fashion sometimes he has the interests of the sport and riders at heart even if that is in his own ideas and views.

You have moaned on a regular basis about Pukekohe and the AMCC... mate don't ride at Pukekohe and don't enter AMCC events....end of your issues!

In the meantime many of us will be out at Pukekohe in October for round 1.

Now here at last is a post that is worth its weight in gold! Honestly bud I really couldn't agree more with most of what you have said apart from the first sentence of yours...I don't want to change that much really.

With regards to Chris Costelo I have no issues with him as a person...as in fact I don't know him that well so it would be unfair for me to have formed one about him on a personal level. I also don't doubt he has (or maybe had) at his core a sense of 'doing the best for this sport,' However, he is simply holding back AMCC from moving forward now. I have heard from many people he would love to step down but feels there is no one to take his spot. The simple fact is, if he really believes this then he is doing more harm by staying there....step aside and the spot will be filled...by someone. Even if only for a temporary time. By feeling like this it trickles down the ranks all the way to you and I and what happens is AMCC end up with 3-4 bikes competing in the AMCC 'superbike' class at the 2009 summer series! That’s pathetic considering Auckland IS the largest population base in NZ!?! You can't blame riders 'apathy' or that its 'too expensive now' or any other excuse...it’s simple...it was not an attractive series to partake in for MANY reasons (as I have pointed out many times before).

As for my opinion of Pukekohe...that’s well documented. I still can't understand though why people continue to defend it? I understand why people choose to ride/race there but people are still defending it as a good facility and even worse some people still believe it is safe?! I actually enjoy riding at Pukekohe believe it or not! It is a fast track and the only one like it. It is bumpy and interesting to ride because of it BUT...and it’s a big BUT (mmmm...I like big butts and I cannot lie) it is crap because it is dangerous for no run off...that’s why I don't want to race there (although I will say I have never said that I won't). Because of why I like it is exactly the reason it is dangerous too...when we push hard we are at the edge of performance of both rider and machine...it’s not a matter of if we crash it’s a matter of when....so when we crash, I don't want a concrete wall as my buffer.

Now I cannot agree more about all the people who give up their time for us to race. But this is peripheral to the topic here. In fact if I was one of these people who gave my time up to be a marshal or to help set up the course etc I would be more vocal about what was wrong! I would be more pissed that only 3-4 bikes turned up to race in the superbikes...I would be considering why bother?!?! I would want things to change even more! I am not the enemy of AMCC as defenders of the club seem to misinterpret my posts to be...I'm actually for AMCC and want it to become better. It will never start to get better if major things don't change and that is completely out of all but a few people’s hands.

Marcus

[Tony.OK]

Marcus everything can be over anylised mate, and people can read into something that the next person doesn't see. I read the letter and to be honest it had a different effect on me in that it made me feel guilty for not trying harder.
Some of your posts can also come across in a way that you may not have intended, which is why people may be biting.

I've only had one experience with the AMCC which was Paeroa, and frankly it was the best racing experience I've had to date, if they can run that event then they must be doing something right.
And that kind of makes the Puke "danger" thing a mute point, Paeroa is dangerous the whole way round but people flock there to put themselves at risk do they not?

Don't be so sure that another will fill a spot either fella, the spots on MNZ are still vacant, it takes a very dedicated person to devote so much free time to a sport they don't even participate in, and it only takes a few knockers to upset the apple kart compared with a much higher level of praise.

You're doing well with support dude, and unfortunately we've entered this sport at a low point for many, ride yer bike, don't take it too seriously, and have a ball while ya can mate.

And I'm not having a dig, just a view from a different perspective.

So lets get to round 5 and have a blast doin skids aye?

[Biggles08]

Marcus everything can be over anylised mate, and people can read into something that the next person doesn't see. I read the letter and to be honest it had a different effect on me in that it made me feel guilty for not trying harder.
Some of your posts can also come across in a way that you may not have intended, which is why people may be biting.

I've only had one experience with the AMCC which was Paeroa, and frankly it was the best racing experience I've had to date, if they can run that event then they must be doing something right.
And that kind of makes the Puke "danger" thing a mute point, Paeroa is dangerous the whole way round but people flock there to put themselves at risk do they not?

Don't be so sure that another will fill a spot either fella, the spots on MNZ are still vacant, it takes a very dedicated person to devote so much free time to a sport they don't even participate in, and it only takes a few knockers to upset the apple kart compared with a much higher level of praise.

You're doing well with support dude, and unfortunately we've entered this sport at a low point for many, ride yer bike, don't take it too seriously, and have a ball while ya can mate.

And I'm not having a dig, just a view from a different perspective.

So lets get to round 5 and have a blast doin skids aye?

Fair enough TOK...I'm kinda over it anyway now...I think the point has been made and that was all I intended.

On your other note, if we're honest Tony...the only reason Paeroa is wanted to be attended by racers is two reasons....firstly everyone wants to race in front of a large crowd...and Paeroa is probably the largest most will ever race in front of (And this is due to B.O.T.S advertising that is not AMCC organized I would point out too). And the second reason is because anyone who has managed to secure sponsors for thier racing wants them to be there for the same reason as the first; large crowds. And incidently, this is the only reason I will race the streets as I'm contracted to do it and need to 'bite the bullet' so to speak. If I had a choice I would only race circuits as I came racing to get off the roads and reduce the risk believe it or not!

I have only been racing for less than a year and I would have to say that in this short time I have realized what 'politics' are involved in racing. I find it hard to ignore average performance when someone seems hell bent on convincing everyone their performance is flawless. Both VMCC and PMCC run a tighter program and race day than AMCC ever has in my experience. I do realize they have been around a lot longer than the short time I have and most likely it has been an unfortunate coincidence that the events I have competed in at AMCC have be abysmal...and us the riders were blamed EVERYTIME!?! Anyway, as said in the opening sentence I'm over it....and hopefully someone, somewhere will try to pay attention to what I'm really trying to say rather than take it so personally.

See you at R5 (well the arse of your purdy hondah anyway)!

[Benk]

the only reason Paeroa is wanted to be attended by racers is two reasons....firstly everyone wants to race in front of a large crowd...and Paeroa is probably the largest most will ever race in front of (And this is due to B.O.T.S advertising that is not AMCC organized I would point out too). And the second reason is because anyone who has managed to secure sponsors for thier racing wants them to be there for the same reason as the first; large crowds.

You forgot the third and most important. Because its fun.

[Biggles08]

You forgot the third and most important. Because its fun.

The circuit or the experience? I haven't done it, but I would imagine it is fun because of the two reasons I stated

[Peter Smith]

With regards to Chris Costelo I have no issues with him as a person...as in fact I don't know him that well so it would be unfair for me to have formed one about him on a personal level. I also don't doubt he has (or maybe had) at his core a sense of 'doing the best for this sport,' However, he is simply holding back AMCC from moving forward now. I have heard from many people he would love to step down but feels there is no one to take his spot. The simple fact is, if he really believes this then he is doing more harm by staying there....step aside and the spot will be filled...by someone. Even if only for a temporary time. By feeling like this it trickles down the ranks all the way to you and I and what happens is AMCC end up with 3-4 bikes competing in the AMCC 'superbike' class at the 2009 summer series! That’s pathetic considering Auckland IS the largest population base in NZ!?! You can't blame riders 'apathy' or that its 'too expensive now' or any other excuse...it’s simple...it was not an attractive series to partake in for MANY reasons (as I have pointed out many times before).

Marcus

You can't seriously blame Chris for only 3-4 bikes in the superbike class.

I race at meetings where I have no idea who the club committee members are.

Like you I have only been back into racing this year. I've join the AMCC and the NZPCRA. I am now on the NZPCRA committee and am busy promoting the club and its events. There are different personalities and points of view, but in the end we all want the club to succeed.
If you really want the AMCC to move forward get more involved with them, go to their club meetings and discuss your ideas, and promote their events.

[Biggles08]

You can't seriously blame Chris for only 3-4 bikes in the superbike class.

I race at meetings where I have no idea who the club committee members are.

Like you I have only been back into racing this year. I've join the AMCC and the NZPCRA. I am now on the NZPCRA committee and am busy promoting the club and its events. There are different personalities and points of view, but in the end we all want the club to succeed.
If you really want the AMCC to move forward get more involved with them, go to their club meetings and discuss your ideas, and promote their events.

There is a long list of reasons why there was only 3-4 bikes at the last round of the last Summer Series Peter so no I don't 'blame' Chris for this specifically. Change is required and it is slow in happening because of people not letting it happen...Chris has some of the blame here IMO.

I always get the 'if you want things to change get more involved' speech Peter and quite honestly I'm sick of explaining why I don't have to be on the committee to be involved! The simple fact is I am 'getting involved' right now by posting here...why can't you realize that? Everyone knows who I am and either agrees with me or doesn't. Chris has made mention in previous 'Presidents Reports' about this very forum (not in nice light either I might add) so my ideas are being discussed. Why is this so wrong just because it is on a forum?

[Peter Smith]

On your other note, if we're honest Tony...the only reason Paeroa is wanted to be attended by racers is two reasons....firstly everyone wants to race in front of a large crowd...and Paeroa is probably the largest most will ever race in front of (And this is due to B.O.T.S advertising that is not AMCC organized I would point out too). And the second reason is because anyone who has managed to secure sponsors for thier racing wants them to be there for the same reason as the first; large crowds.

I don't have any sponsors and don't give a rip about the crowds.

I have raced there many years ago and was scared sh**less. I don't like street racing.
I'll be racing there this year to support the club.

[Benk]

The circuit or the experience? I haven't done it, but I would imagine it is fun because of the two reasons I stated

Id race it again if there was no people watching. The spectators do amplify things, but it was way different than a race track.

[prettybillie]

There is a long list of reasons why there was only 3-4 bikes at the last round of the last Summer Series Peter so no I don't 'blame' Chris for this specifically. Change is required and it is slow in happening because of people not letting it happen...Chris has some of the blame here IMO.

I always get the 'if you want things to change get more involved' speech Peter and quite honestly I'm sick of explaining why I don't have to be on the committee to be involved! The simple fact is I am 'getting involved' right now by posting here...why can't you realize that? Everyone knows who I am and either agrees with me or doesn't. Chris has made mention in previous 'Presidents Reports' about this very forum (not in nice light either I might add) so my ideas are being discussed. Why is this so wrong just because it is on a forum?

FFS - bitching about people on a forum is not getting involved.

You've made very few relevant points here other than making it more known that you are not a fan of AMCC or Chris Costello.....we get it! You don't think either are doing a very good job.

How about rather than running the club and people down actually post some relevant ideas of how you think things could be run better, or even better, actually get off your arse and join a committee.

TBH because you have a huge history of negativity towards AMCC in general, at the end of the day I would be very surprised if anything you said would be taken on board.

You moan and moan and moan, but have every excuse under the sun for not actually getting on a committee and making a change.

Give it up dude - you're not a member of the club, you aren't racing at the AMCC rounds, therefore nothing the club or it's president does has any impact on you whatsoever....

And dude - all this bitching over a report in a fucken newsletter!!! You got nothing better to do buddy????!!!!!

[jrandom]

Meow, scratch, hiss

Glad to see there's no bad blood between you two.

[prettybillie]

Glad to see there's no bad blood between you two.

Glad to see you're still a gigantic shit stirring bastard

[Devil]

Glad to see there's no bad blood between you two.

More polite than I could have managed!

[Pussy]

Glad to see there's no bad blood between you two.

Glad to see you're still a gigantic shit stirring bastard

Ah.... feel the love!

[slowpoke]

Along the way I've met many people some of whom I've not agreed with in terms of decisions most notable of which was the head or the ACU in the UK who was also head of one of the main UK clubs New Era.

You aren't Guy Martin in disguise are ya Brian? You don't have a laptop at home with a couple of fingers stuck inside it?