Warning- for when you up the pace.

[boomer]

You're so full of shit.

You're right.. im scared of you, more so now i know you like little boyz...!

[bogan]

Speaking of impressionable newbies, perhaps there should be a disclaimer for those joining this site.

Warning: Some people on this site are not of sound mind, and will try and interpret all posts to be detrimental to bikers as a whole, inflammatory posts of this type should be immediately ignored.

To recognize such posts we offer the following tips.
1) if it reads like bullshit, it is
2) if there appears to be no logic applied in the generation of such post, there probably isnt
3) if its a pisstake that makes you lul, apply bling
C) temper all advice with personal experience, not all kb'ers are wise

maybe border it with some yellow/black angled bars to show how important such a message is, as you can never be too careful with noobs

[boomer]

You're like one of those little hand bag dogs; nibbling away at people ankles whilst they talk and get on with life; every now and again getting a response as someone tries to shoe you away..

You're pretty harmless, a little annoying and think you deserve all the attention in the room !

[short-circuit]

You're pretty harmless, a little annoying and think you deserve all the attention in the room !

PROJECTION ALERT: The only worse attention whore than you on KB that I'm aware of is Craver - but he'll openly admit that

[2_SL0]

You're like one of those little hand bag dogs; nibbling away at people ankles whilst they talk and get on with life; every now and again getting a response as someone tries to shoe you away..

You're pretty harmless, a little annoying and think you deserve all the attention in the room !

Nibbling or trying to mount for some dog on leg action.

[MarkH]

You'll note that the victims are flung off at a tangent to the direction of travel, not from the centre of the manual merry-go-round.

Centripetal force.

Centrifuge is a product name.

Isn't Centripetal force the inward force that makes something go around in a circle? Surely those people were flung off because the centripetal force failed to do the job and they succumbed to 'inertia' - the tendency for an object in motion to carry on in a straight line (hence the tangential direction of travel).

You are right of course that there is no centrifugal force, just inertia vs centripetal force.

centrifugal force is defined as the force acting in an opposite direction to the centripetal force, ie the force acting outwards from a mass in a centrifuge.

That is just daft - if this outward force did exist then the object that was subjected to both centripetal & centrifugal force would travel in a straight line. It is because the centripetal force is not matched that the direction of travel changes. In a centrifuge the mass inside is trying to move straight ahead due to inertia and is pulled around in a circle by centripetal force.


When riding a motorcycle the mass tends to go straight and if the tyres can't supply enough centripetal force to make the mass of bike and rider go around the corner then they will go straight off the corner.

Centripetal force = real
Inertia = real
Centrifugal force = doesn't exist, never has

[2_SL0]

You would have no idea.

Really I think Im bang on. Certainly from what you portray online.

[bogan]

Isn't Centripetal force the inward force that makes something go around in a circle? Surely those people were flung off because the centripetal force failed to do the job and they succumbed to 'inertia' - the tendency for an object in motion to carry on in a straight line (hence the tangential direction of travel).

You are right of course that there is no centrifugal force, just inertia vs centripetal force.



That is just daft - if this outward force did exist then the object that was subjected to both centripetal & centrifugal force would travel in a straight line. It is because the centripetal force is not matched that the direction of travel changes. In a centrifuge the mass inside is trying to move straight ahead due to inertia and is pulled around in a circle by centripetal force.


When riding a motorcycle the mass tends to go straight and if the tyres can't supply enough centripetal force to make the mass of bike and rider go around the corner then they will go straight off the corner.

Centripetal force = real
Inertia = real
Centrifugal force = doesn't exist, never has

yes you're technically accurate, the point i was trying to make is that the masses understand what centrifugal force is, therefore giving it meaning, (most probably know what centriugal force is rather then centripetal) therefor it was perfectly ok for beyond to use this term in his original post.

Ill put it this way, is there anyone who didnt know what beyond meant when he refered to centrifugal force?

[puddy]

I've ridden with Paul, I have never felt pressure to push my boundries, I ride my ride, Paul rides his. Dude you talk utter crap.

+1!
Sorry Katman, love to chat but I'm just watching some music vids and playing X Box and I now feel a strong compulsion to grab the Glock out of the cupboard and pop a cap in somebody's ass then steal a car and get into a police chase!(wonder if I could use this stuff as a defence???......Paul, Snoop Dog and Grand Theft made me do it!)

[madbikeboy]

You might be on a group ride with a lot of experienced riders and all of a sudden you get caught along with a more rapidly paced ride.


When you up the pace, your bike starts to behave differently and you need to be aware of what is taking place:

1. Centrifugal forces start to come into play at far greater levels the faster you go. This means you need to "muscle" the bike more and counter steer harder to drop it into corners. The faster you go the more likely you are to swing wide which means on a right hander you might end up doing some unwanted gardening, or on a left hander you become a bonnet badge on someones oncoming vehicle.
On some bikes, at speeds above a certain level, this extra muscling required can cause head shake which if you are not aware at what level this creeps in, you can lose control. It is important you do not tense up but steer the bike into the corner with a light grip on the bars so the bike can have it;s way.
The moment you tense up you will end up exacerbating any issues.

2. The faster you go the more time will be compressed which means things happen very quickly. You need to be fully alert and continually scanning the road ahead as far as you can see while keeping an eye on the road surface and things happening in close proximity In short... you better have bloody good reflexes which means no drugs, drink or lack of sleep induced weariness. If you aren't in the right frame of mind do not twist that throttle.

3. You need to be able to brake faster, harder and with more control and smoothness than ever before because when things go wrong they go wrong very quickly at speed. You really need to have rehearsed in your mind what you would do if any number of things were to happen. Have in mind an escape route, do not panic, do not let the adrenaline rush allow you to do anything stupid. Control the rush, keep an even state of mind, look where you want to go, aim for the gap, if you know you won't stop in time, then plan a safer exit point. Prempt another drivers directions and plan to move a different way if they change their minds.

4. Your bike needs to be top notch. Brakes and pads up to scratch, tyre pressures correct and suspension sorted for your weight and height.

5. This isn't a licence to speed but before you push the boundaries you need to know the boundaries of your own mental state and your bike before you decide to twist that throttle and give it a go. I don't care what anyone has to say but you are going to twist that throttle at some time and you better be ready for it. Practice on quiet roads in areas where you will not end up paying for John Keys lunch.

You will learn a hell of a lot about how your bike handles and reacts when pushed because I can assure you right now the harder you ride the more different your bike will handle and for some that aren't aware, it WILL scare the shit out of you.

Be warned and be prepared.

Okay, I started reading through all 11 pages of fucking shite, and since my head started hurting, I skipped back to the beginning to the OP.

Beyond, I actually reckon you've posted something useful. This has application to everyone here that has ridden in a group, a little (or a lot) beyond their own limits. Understanding the warning signs has to make more sense than ignoring them.

This has as much application to Fucktard born agains (no disrespect intended) as boys on sportsbikes who have been riding for a while.

I'm an advocate for track days (and plenty of them), but you can improve skills with a mentor and a controlled environment. This is a complex sport that is brutally darwinian - the smart and the lucky (sometimes not the same thing) survive longer (most of the time). Knowledge and humility also seem to help with longevity.

[Pussy]

Knowledge and humility also seem to help with longevity.

A worthy point!
Sadly not followed by many

[madbikeboy]

hes the grumpy short arse with the only bike shop in Taupo. I got a rear tyre in there once, grumpy didn't have a sense of humour face to face either.... a right miserable cnut.

And you're sweetness and light?

Steve's a great guy to have a beer with.

[Danae]

I totally agree with mbb

Thanks for the post, beyond. I'm a newbie, only been riding since may and rode a scooter since february. I've been on a few rides and each time i am naturally pushing a bit harder, taking corners just that tiny bit faster. Simply because i have had more and more practice.

I have heard a lot of good things about trackdays but I am still learning, don't have a race bike and don't have the money for the expenses. I would go if i could. Since i can't, i will use the open road, unexpected potholes, dodgy surfaces and all.

[SixPackBack]

And you're sweetness and light?

Steve's a great guy to have a beer with.

He comes across as someone with pathological stalking tendencies with no clear objective.
I blame his drug/alcohol intake.

[boomer]

And you're sweetness and light?

Steve's a great guy to have a beer with.

At a funeral, i bet hes great company! Reminding everyone how good it is to be alive.

The one time i met him he was that sour the hairs on my neck tingled