L plate suggestion

[tigertim20]

@Tigertim

Since you shoot your mouth off, please point out ANY person who has ACTUALLY been hurt by a tailgater EVER, ANYWHERE, and I do not mean someone paniccing and running off the road because the BELIEVE they are GOING to be hurt, I mean some L-Plate biker who has ACTUALLY been hurt by a tailgater. Lets hear it. Bring your facts to the discussion, if you have any.

Cmon then? Facts please. I invite it. But you won't will you? You just attempt to put someone else down, for the express purpose of making yourself bigger.

Facts or lose face.

Steve

you know last time you told somebody else not to shootr their mouth off you got absolutely pawned on here...
secondly, had they not been tailgated, they wouldnt have have been afraid in the first place, and thus lost their cool.
thirdly, the closer somebody is behind you, the less safe and accident free ways you have of doing anything, be it:
slowing to take your exit/turn at a safe speed,
stopping for an, or to avoid an accident ahead,
stopping for a sudden occurrance in the road ahead such as a pedestrian not concentrating on the cars driving past.
any of these and many other instances can cause you to be rammed up the rear as a result of you taking evasive action.
if you would like na,es i can give you three names, if the families permit me to, of motorcyclists i knew in marlborough over a 5 year period, two who died, one with permanent injuries, which make walking painfull. all as a rwsult of tailgaters. one in an 80km area. the other two in a 70km and a 50km area. for the record, the one in a 50km area was one who died.
DB please, unless you hate somebody, PLEASE do not attempt to teach anyone to ride a motorcycle.

[Leyton]

yeah... personaly at intersections when there is a car behind me, I close the gap between me and the car behind me alot sooner so they have a longer chance of being aware.

For ex.. put down their phone, stop texting and apply some thought into driving and apply the brake for the progressive slow to a stop.

I have neally been rammed at an intersection myself when I first started learning. And I quickly became aware of traffic behaviour.

It is quite different in a car, you do not really think of the dickwad behind ya going to tail you... unless it is a big truck ?, funny eh

[tigertim20]

The road code says if someone is following too closely you are to increase the space in front of you for the exact purpose you mention. There are many other steps you can use also, such as pulling over and letting them pass.

The problem is, irate cagers thinking they can bash newbies because they are small, scared, and weak.

Steve

and regardless, if you speed, in an attempt to put that distance there, you have still broken the law, but by pulling over and letting them past, you have not.

on the bright side you have very aptly and accurately given yourself a handle on this site that I beleive adequately describes the state of mind you posses while posting on this site. well done.

[Leyton]

thirdly, the closer somebody is behind you, the less safe and accident free ways you have of doing anything, be it:
slowing to take your exit/turn at a safe speed,
stopping for an, or to avoid an accident ahead,
stopping for a sudden occurrance in the road ahead such as a pedestrian

Dude, I don't see why you are ripping into DB just because he speaks common sence. And I see why a few of you are getting quite skewed on this... he has not spelt it out for you!. Think about what he is saying, take some time, think again. Then offer your input. There is no need to put DB down here...

If you increase the distance infront of you, you have MORE time to react meaning you can break slower. You acually transfer the 2 seconds you save up front, and give it to the tail gater compensating for their lack of 2 second rule buffer.

If you are in a hazard area such as a busy street, well.. you are fairly much screwed in all accounts.

Pulling to the left to allow the person to pass is dangerious in a busy multiple hazzard town street, its nuts. You only alternative is to slow your speed in this case (This will piss off the tail gater) but tough!. Your skin, Your life. The tailgater does not give a toss. (They are not thinking of you), probably thinking of their hair appointment etc...

And if you are feeling that uncomfortable about it, pull over to park, then pull out. I do it many times in the cage.. (Little Starlet (Company car)), I get bullyed by cars all the time and it annoys the daylights out of me, I just pull left as if I was going to park.... then pull out again right behind them and increase that gap. Wulla.. new safety bubble.

[Leyton]

Attach the L-Plate with nut and bolt, break L-Plate off leaving enough of it attached to make it evident

I just went hard with mine on.. never followed the 70km/hr rule crap. Kept it on to keep my insurance happy.

Cage's were more tollerant of a "L" plater going sensible speeds .. ie.. 100-110 to match the traffic flow. Respect!

Anything under 105 and you were bully bait on the open road. Prolly less so if you did not have the "L" plate..

[tigertim20]

Dude, I don't see why you are ripping into DB just because he speaks common sence. And I see why a few of you are getting quite skewed on this... he has not spelt it out for you!. Think about what he is saying, take some time, think again. Then offer your input. There is no need to put DB down here...

If you increase the distance infront of you, you have MORE time to react meaning you can break slower. You acually transfer the 2 seconds you save up front, and give it to the tail gater compensating for their lack of 2 second rule buffer.

If you are in a hazard area such as a busy street, well.. you are fairly much screwed in all accounts.

Pulling to the left to allow the person to pass is dangerious, we all know keeping left on a busy town street is nuts. You only alternative is to slow your speed in this case (This will piss off the tail gater) but tough!. Your skin, Your life. The tailgater does not give a toss. (They are not thinking of you), probably thinking of their hair appointment etc...

And if you are feeling that uncomfortable about it, pull over to park, then pull out. I do it many times in the cage.. (Little Starlet (Company car)), I get bullyed by cars all the time and it annoys the daylights out of me, I just pull left as if I was going to park.... then pull out again right behind them and increase that gap. Wulla.. new safety bubble.

Really more the advice I am ripping inot than the man.
But, as you yourself have mentioned, often pulling ahead is not an option. Aditionally they are tailgating you to push you along, you speed up, they wil match you and stay there untill they get past, that is the definition of a tailgater. also, if you do speed up, think about it, you were probably already doing 5 or so KM over the limit, add that burst of speed, and hello, you are now 25km over the limit, whats gonna happen to YOU when a copper sees you?...
The pulling over straight away thing, isnt dangerous, you indicate your intentions, and move to the left of you lane. Even if you don not cross the left hand boundary of your lane. you have provided the tailgater with enough room to get past and get away from you. out of your way and making you safer. you do this as soon as is practical, not when you are 50m from an intersection on the left...
The other problem with a burst of speed, is that sooner or later you will find yourself behind whatever was further ahead of you, then what? You have made it even worse for yourself, because the tailgater catches up again, and this time, you dont have the room to use a burst of speed do you...

[Leyton]

Really more the advice I am ripping inot than the man.

As entitled so sweet as !

+1 for clearing that up.

And yep, completely agree with your last post dude. The odd time I have had a cager pull beside me for pass but not making much ground... with a quick check of the mirror (to make sure no one is behind me, already headchecked at the cager passing)... and your not supposed to do this..., I assist for a breif moment by breaking when the car is beside me.. just incase the cager pulls back in. Thus I am maintaining the control of my safety a own safety buffer.

In the road code it recommends you to maintain your speed and pull as far left as safe. Fair enough because the car/bike passing, the driver/rider has computed their manover based on your known speed. You could be putting the passer at risk by slowing down, they could disorentate, if this happens.. they are a stupid prat that should not have tryed passing anyways..

So yeah, I don't mind breaking that road code "guide!" hehe.

But yeah, giving the "L" plater a little authority boost may help balance the playing feild between over-confident tailgater and n00b.

You should poll it DB!

[NDORFN]

" 'L' (learner) plates
All riders on a motorcycle learner licence must have an 'L' plate attached to the rear of their motorcycle.

You can get an 'L' plate from a driver licensing agent. It's also acceptable to make one yourself, to the dimensions shown.

The 'L' plate must be clearly visible to all other road users. It must not restrict your front or rear vision."

If you put an L-Plate on then break it off, you HAVE attached it. And if all other road users are prepared to go look in the culvert that you tossed it in it WOULD be clearly visible to them. But you shouldn't do this because throwing your L-Plate in a culvert is littering and that's naughty. Proper naughty.

[CookMySock]

DB please, unless you hate somebody, PLEASE do not attempt to teach anyone to ride a motorcycle.

Hehe, I will do exactly as I choose, just like you do. You have no say in it.

Point taken about about being hit from behind, BUT I question why the hell some person might come to a halt in the middle of a lane when they KNOW a fucking kenworth truck is right behind them. Does it not occur to you what is imminent? Showing your inexperience there perhaps?

Why not split past some obstacle and leave the carnage behind you? Don't know how to split? Too scared to?

Your logic doesn't stack up. Sorry.

Steve

[CookMySock]

It is quite different in a car, you do not really think of the dickwad behind ya going to tail you... unless it is a big truck ?, funny eh

Oh, you do. In a quick-stop situation you would be well advised to turn your attention to what is unfolding behind you, AFTER you have resolved your immediate responsibilities in front of you.

Quite a few times I have had a car and trailer crossed-up sideways behind me with all their tyres smoking still enclosing at an alarming rate, unable to stop. It's going to hurt.

Always always always be prepared to get the hell down the side of the queue. That is a card up your sleeve you should never be without. Never stop on the tail end of a queue unless you are very very secure in that decision.

I actually feel safer on a bike than a car in situations like this - there is always a gap to head down - not so in a car.

Steve

[NighthawkNZ:Me]

Point taken about about being hit from behind, BUT I question why the hell some person might come to a halt in the middle of a lane when they KNOW a fucking kenworth truck is right behind them. Does it not occur to you what is imminent? Showing your inexperience there perhaps?

FFS Did you not read it properly... ok I will spell out to you... I even draw you a pretty little picture if you want

I was hit from behind from a car that was tailgating. The Kenworth was on the main road in the traffic I had stopped for coming from my right... I was wanting to turn left... the car hit and push me out in to the path of the truck... the kenworth was fully locked up trying to stop and I was only just able to roll away in time... movie stuff really

Why not split past some obstacle and leave the carnage behind you? Don't know how to split? Too scared to?

Gee I thought we we talking about suggestions for a learner riders, lane spliting while its not illegal it is frowned upon... and while I don't care, no my other half doesn't like to lane split and many learners on 250's don't have the power to do it safely either, or are not experienced enough... telling someone to simply lane split is bad advise.

[davereid]

Yep, often if I have to stop quickly, for example if the car in front brakes heavily for an orange light, I will pull up NEXT to the fast stopping vehicle. That way, I have already started the lane split I was most likely going to do anyway, but if the car behond me fails to stop, it won't matter.

I normally encourage tailgaters to pass - they make excellent radar shields, and you can often control their speed b how close you follow them.

With regard to the yellow L plate, I think you are displaying them incorrectly.

They go on the left hand side of the number plate, but not facing the vehicle behind, facing the vehicle in front. A carefully placed rego holder ensures they cannot be seen from behind, yet they meet all the rules regarding their usage - they are on the back, and can be seen by all other road users.

As long as they are in front of the bike, and on the left hand side !.

[CookMySock]

I was hit from behind from a car that was tailgating. The Kenworth was on the main road in the traffic I had stopped for coming from my right... I was wanting to turn left... the car hit and push me out in to the path of the truck... the kenworth was fully locked up trying to stop and I was only just able to roll away in time... movie stuff really

That is movie stuff, and exceptional circumstances for sure. All the same, I don't think I would be stopping in the center of the lane, allowing the following car no room to get past. While you have every right to be there, you leave yourself wide open to be shunted into live traffic.

Gee I thought we we talking about suggestions for a learner riders, lane spliting while its not illegal it is frowned upon... and while I don't care, no my other half doesn't like to lane split and many learners on 250's don't have the power to do it safely either, or are not experienced enough... telling someone to simply lane split is bad advise.

That was not my advice. I was referring to it to be used in preparedness for the emergency situation of being hit from behind. As such, it is an emergency procedure.

I encourage learners to lane-split as early as possible. They do not like it at all (but they catch on to it quick hehe), but the reality is they must stop thinking like a cager. The gaps in front of them are enormous (for a bike), and they should realise earlier rather than later, that they can easily slip down the side without stress at all, and that this is a particularly desirable thing to be good at to manage emergencies, particularly the one in question.

And finally, why this quest against me? Every response from you an irate one. I am sure you are a much nicer person in real life. How about you quit putting your poor character on display and show some strength? I'm not here to beat you, but seemingly you have taken up some challenge.

Yep, often if I have to stop quickly, for example if the car in front brakes heavily for an orange light, I will pull up NEXT to the fast stopping vehicle. That way, I have already started the lane split I was most likely going to do anyway, but if the car behond me fails to stop, it won't matter.

Yeah thats what I teach. Always be ready to duck down some gap. It's great security, and much fun to be had also.

With regard to the yellow L plate, I think you are displaying them incorrectly. [...] As long as they are in front of the bike, and on the left hand side !.

Is this true? That is surprising, but useful!


Steve

[CookMySock]

It also occurs to me, the L-Plate can be home made. It has to be yellow, and of a certain size, but it does not have to be the brightest chrome yellow you can find, hehe. It could be some shitty hard to see non-reflective yellow-ochre plate, and still be legal.

Steve

[NighthawkNZ:Me]

I don't think I would be stopping in the center of the lane, allowing the following car no room to get past. While you have every right to be there, you leave yourself wide open to be shunted into live traffic.

It was an intersection a stop sign I had to stop do you not read... as I said in my first post...

because some fuckwit was tailgating and not watching the road to notice there was a stop sign...

So you advice is now for me not to stop at the Stop sign and to just filter through the traffic to loose the tailgater... in which I probably would have hit the kenworth

your logic doesn't not compute...

L plate suggestion

Title of thread suggests talking about newbie... and incouraging to lane spliit as bad advise for a newbie... here the best thing is to let the learn that side at their own time if they are wanting to...

And finally, why this quest against me? Every response from you an irate one. I am sure you are a much nicer person in real life. How about you quit putting your poor character on display and show some strength? I'm not here to beat you, but seemingly you have taken up some challenge.

Its not you its your advice