Wellington Parking - They are about to clamp down on bike parking

[FatHead]

Again a big thank you to you Jon for doing what you can to make this transition more palitable for the motorcyclists of Wellington. I expect that you will have all this information available on the council website also when it becomes available and that you will advise us all of the link to that information.

[Kendog]

Not yet. The first step will be two sets of information leaflets distributed to all motorcycle riders over the next few weeks. They are printed but we are awaiting a "fine" (sunny, dry and not-so-windy) day. The first set does not have a map of garages on the back yet as that list is continually growing.

Can you post a PDF of the leaflet in here please.

[RusoR]

Go to war with the council and get to work at 5am, take all the car-parks up with your bikes and leave them there all day, everyday until the council figures out that the bikers were'nt really effecting anyone but those choosing to be upset about it.

I recall hearing a similar protest was done by bikers a few years ago. Interestingly enough WCC Traffic Bylaws prohibit motorcycles from parking in bays controlled by a multiple meter ie a P & D machine. Ironically most if not all of on street parking in CBD is controlled by P & D. Any such protest would be illegal and subject to the full brunt of the law and resulting consequences. Not a problem if you have long pockets, but I don't...

[firefighter]

I recall hearing a similar protest was done by bikers a few years ago. Interestingly enough WCC Traffic Bylaws prohibit motorcycles from parking in bays controlled by a multiple meter ie a P & D machine. Ironically most if not all of on street parking in CBD is controlled by P & D. Any such protest would be illegal and subject to the full brunt of the law and resulting consequences. Not a problem if you have long pockets, but I don't...

So, a motorcycle is NOT allowed to park in a pay and display carpark?

Are you sure?

If most parks are pay and display, where are you supposed to park then?

Seems a bit weird if that's true, that's actually discrimmination. It still carried at least one person, it just does'nt take up as much space as a car would have in it's place.
Plus it can fit at least two bikes...... ie. two cars worth can fit into it, therefore saving another space.

I see no difference between a bike using and paying for the space to a car.....unless the car MUST be full of passengers.(%99.9) of the time it'll be an SUV with a single person)

What a weird by-law.(do you know if auckland is the same?)

[Ixion]

I had heard that WCC prohibited bikes from parking in car spaces EVEN IF THEY WERE WILLING TO PAY THE CAR FEE.

I discounted it because that seemed so perverse and downright discriminatory that I could not believe it.

If it IS true then it is blatently obvious that WCC are just carrying out an anti-motorcycle vendetta , and all this talk in this thread is just a hypocritical smokescreen

And, for the record, Auckland is perfectly happy for bikes to park in car spaces provided they pay the appropriate fee. Or, to park for free at the ends of pay and display bays.

[firefighter]

And, for the record, Auckland is perfectly happy for bikes to park in car spaces provided they pay the appropriate fee. Or, to park for free at the ends of pay and display bays.

I don't really have any beef with paying for the space. Not being legally allowed to without other options apart from parking out of town I do have problems with.

So is it actually legal to park at the ends of the pay and display parks? (in auck)

[Ixion]

I don't really have any beef with paying for the space. Not being legally allowed to without other options apart from parking out of town I do have problems with.

So is it actually legal to park at the ends of the pay and display parks? (in auck)

There is a formal undertaking by the General Manager (Parking) of ACC that the practice is permitted. (You do need to park crossways - ie 90 degree to the kerb. )

[StoneY]

why not make all of Featherston Street MC parking and ......?

Now someones talking some sense at last

That would work well- could even afford to leave 2 or 3 loading zones big enough for a few delivery vans in Featherston

Think about it- its the perfect street to annex for one mighty huge bike park including Grey st as well

Heaps of public lifts to the Terrace- and reachable for all bar anyone working down by Courtenay way- and another one could be done for that end of town on a smaller scale, say Allen St???

[Howie]

I had heard that WCC prohibited bikes from parking in car spaces EVEN IF THEY WERE WILLING TO PAY THE CAR FEE.

I discounted it because that seemed so perverse and downright discriminatory that I could not believe it.

This Bylaw is a bit historic, in that it applied to multi park meter systems eg. Pay and display, it is perfect legal for Bikes to park in the old style parking meter parks with individual meters if you can find any. The bylaw for them even mentions 2 bikes in a park, as long as the fee has been paid. The relevant Bylaws are on this page. http://www.wellington.govt.nz/plans/bylaws/traffic.html Sections 4, and 6.

Cheers

Paul

[scracha]

Stop being such pathetic bitches and get campaigning.

http://notobikeparkingfees.com/

[bogan]

Stop being such pathetic bitches and get campaigning.

http://notobikeparkingfees.com/

awww, they get to have all the fun, can we have a bike protest ride too?

[scracha]

awww, they get to have all the fun, can we have a bike protest ride too?

But I thought apathy was a degree course over here?

Actually...now yer talking. I won't hold my breath waiting on BRONZ organising a protest ride though.

[Ixion]

Well, as BRONZ Wellington ceased to exist some eyars ago, I won't be holding mine either. If it was Auckland, we would.

[James Deuce]

I had heard that WCC prohibited bikes from parking in car spaces EVEN IF THEY WERE WILLING TO PAY THE CAR FEE.

I discounted it because that seemed so perverse and downright discriminatory that I could not believe it.

If it IS true then it is blatently obvious that WCC are just carrying out an anti-motorcycle vendetta , and all this talk in this thread is just a hypocritical smokescreen

And, for the record, Auckland is perfectly happy for bikes to park in car spaces provided they pay the appropriate fee. Or, to park for free at the ends of pay and display bays.

Badda-bing.

Just so you know Howie, they do enforce the bikes banned from parks governed by multi-bay meters bylaw.

WCC are GOING to make on-street motorcycle parking time limited, and the private companies they are asking to take up the slack will see a huge opportunity to leverage the same money as a car park for stuff they've previously given away free. Spaces that will be marked out around the size of the average coffin. Irony.

The on-street parking will be barely used, because as I've said it is used mostly by people working their "9 to 5", and then they'll be removed because the private companies will be doing a better job of providing motorcycle parking, so it will be the "market deciding".

I got "into trouble" on Friday for riding around the barrier arms to get to my park that work pays for in a Wilson Parking managed parking building. By persistently and non-aggressively pointing out that there was no point me stopping and getting out my wallet to use the swipe card when it meant stopping on an incline, taking gloves off and fumbling with zips, especially if it was going to hold other cars up, he relented.

But then pointed out that they were looking forward to making motorcycles pay for parking.

I, very slowly, pointed out that work pays for the park I use, and sometimes I even park my car there.

He stood stock still and was unable to speak, and so it was that I left him in this state to proceed to my park.

He tracked me down while I was putting the disk lock on and told me I couldn't park there and I asked, "Why?"

He said I was preventing the park's normal user from using the park.

I got out my letter from work and the one from Wilson Parking and showed it to him. It detailed which park was mine. In which I was parked.

He said he would prefer it if I didn't use it, as they would be putting special motorcycle parks in soon. I resisted the urge to tap on his head to see if it would ring like an empty shell casing, and pointed out that the park was paid for for by my employer, and if I wished to park a perambulator there I would.

He asked me what a perambulator was.

Sometimes I am too smart for my own good.

[mrchips]

Perhaps WCC should change it's slogan to "Absolutely Positively Wellington Profitable".

I commend you on your composure.