Skeptics take on the anti-1080 nutters, and others

[NDORFN]

Bullshit:

Sodium fluoroacetate occurs naturally in at least 40 plants in Australia, Brazil, and Africa. It was first identified in the poison leaf Dichapetalum cymosum by Marais in 1944.[3][4] As early as 1904, colonists in Sierra Leone used extracts of Chailletia toxicaria which also contains fluoroacetic acid or its salts to poison rats.[5][6] It is believed that the compound is even present in tea leaves in tiny amounts.[7] The Australian pea family Gastrolobium (“poison peas”), have sodium fluoroacetate in the leaf tips and seeds. Its occurrence forces livestock farmers in Western Australia to hand-weed their paddocks.

You could sit down and have a nice cup of 1080 tea and some scones, maybe do some light reading about reality, or you could actually visit an area after a 1080 drop and see it for yourself.

[Pixie]

You could sit down and have a nice cup of 1080 tea and some scones, maybe do some light reading about reality, or you could actually visit an area after a 1080 drop and see it for yourself.

I live in an area that has been treated.
Never saw any Tui etc. until the poison killed the possums
That's reallity.

Greenies are just religious fanatics-no point in trying to reason with them.
Many hunters don't give a fuck about anything but their pastime.
And the rest of the wankers don't notice the improvement in native species after they have time to recover from pest predation.

[sAsLEX]

1080 breaksdown in Water.

I work with the shit and unless you are a possum you are fine.

Why is the bush quiet after a 1080 drop? That many people have witnessed?

DOC under fire over 1080 Kea deaths

30/07/2008 16:16:12

The Department of Conservation's 1080 poisoning programme is under fire following the death of seven Kea.

The birds died at Fox Glacier after they ate the poison, which was intended to kill possums and rats.

National's conservation spokesman Nick Smith says the incident should see DOC's pest management strategies reviewed as the department is supposed to protect endangered birds, not kill them off.

United Future leader Peter Dunne is labelling the incident "avian genocide" and is demanding DOC be held accountable for what has happened.

If there was any doubt about its efficacy, New Zealand authorities would ban its use in a heartbeat.

1080 is about eradication.

Working well isn't it.... how many years has it been used and still we have possums?

NZ has no native mammals and it's mainly mammals affected by this poison.

Oh you are so well educated about our native fauna, how much of the rest of the stuff you are spouting can be taken as "Fact".

So you're happy for possums to spread bovine Tb and destroy New Zealand's biodiversity in the process? For what?

There's plenty of evidence to show huge increases in native bird populations after 1080 programmes.

DOC under fire over 1080 Kea deaths

30/07/2008 16:16:12

The Department of Conservation's 1080 poisoning programme is under fire following the death of seven Kea.

The birds died at Fox Glacier after they ate the poison, which was intended to kill possums and rats.

National's conservation spokesman Nick Smith says the incident should see DOC's pest management strategies reviewed as the department is supposed to protect endangered birds, not kill them off.

United Future leader Peter Dunne is labelling the incident "avian genocide" and is demanding DOC be held accountable for what has happened.

[Blackbird]

If you consider the MASSIVE deforrestation in NZ for farming, cows have caused infinately more damage to NZ's native environment that possums ever could.

I take it you're talking about historical deforestation? There have been strict controls on native logging for a good few years and they are well-enforced. If you're talking about converting plantation p.radiata forests to dairy farms, the tax breaks ran out 2 years ago so that's pretty much stopped.

Farm runoff is the second biggest polluter of the Waikato. The people of greater Hamilton are the highest.

[NDORFN]

I live in an area that has been treated.
Never saw any Tui etc. until the poison killed the possums
That's reallity.

Greenies are just religious fanatics-no point in trying to reason with them.
Many hunters don't give a fuck about anything but their pastime.
And the rest of the wankers don't notice the improvement in native species after they have time to recover from pest predation.

Greenies are extremists for sure, and are not doing themselves or the cause any favours by conducting themselves as they do. But they're driven by the same concern for our environment as the rest of us. It's not like they come knocking on your door trying to sell you thier beliefs every Sunday morning. The thing with noticing the improvement in native species after they have time to recover is that it happens to be the time between the devastation of a 1080 drop and the recovery of possums in the area. They're here to stay man, we'll never completely get rid of them and unless we introduce a natural enemy (dole bludgers, periodic detentionees, low risk criminals, and generally anyone who yearns to get paid to live in the bush) we'll never have sustained balance.

[98tls]

Greenies are extremists for sure, and are not doing themselves or the cause any favours by conducting themselves as they do. But they're driven by the same concern for our environment as the rest of us. It's not like they come knocking on your door trying to sell you thier beliefs every Sunday morning. The thing with noticing the improvement in native species after they have time to recover is that it happens to be the time between the devastation of a 1080 drop and the recovery of possums in the area. They're here to stay man, we'll never completely get rid of them and unless we introduce a natural enemy (dole bludgers, periodic detentionees, low risk criminals, and generally anyone who yearns to get paid to live in the bush) we'll never have sustained balance.

Or we could kill 2 birds with one stone,pack all the dairyfarmers off to the bush to clean up the pests,at least it would give our rivers/streams a break.

[NDORFN]

I take it you're talking about historical deforestation? There have been strict controls on native logging for a good few years and they are well-enforced. If you're talking about converting plantation p.radiata forests to dairy farms, the tax breaks ran out 2 years ago so that's pretty much stopped.

Farm runoff is the second biggest polluter of the Waikato. The people of greater Hamilton are the highest.

Yes I'm talking historical deforestation, not current. I'm looking at it from the perspective of someone who puts humans in the same category as animals when considering environmental impact. How do you figure the people of Hamilton are greater polluters than the farms? You been for a walk in the country lately? I wonder if any of the scientists trying to figure out what's killing everything in the gulf have bothered to look up the Waihou for sources of pollution. I grew up here (Matamata) and spent most summers as a kid swiming and eeling in river all around the area (Paeroa down to Putaruru). The water was clean and clear. These days the only waterway in the whole fucking district you'll find is within the first couple of km's of a spring.

[NDORFN]

Or we could kill 2 birds with one stone,pack all the dairyfarmers off to the bush to clean up the pests,at least it would give our rivers/streams a break.

Good thinking. The massive leap in national I.Q as a result would contribute hugely toward substituting the dairy industry with high-tech industries.

[Pixie]

Greenies are extremists for sure, and are not doing themselves or the cause any favours by conducting themselves as they do. But they're driven by the same concern for our environment as the rest of us. It's not like they come knocking on your door trying to sell you thier beliefs every Sunday morning. .

Neither do the Brethren.

As for their concern - you are deluded

[Pixie]

Good thinking. The massive leap in national I.Q as a result would contribute hugely toward substituting the dairy industry with high-tech industries.

Back to living in a cave and composting your own shit more like it.


Waaah! I really thought it was a good idea.the greenie dogma.Now I can never make enough dosh,weaving beads and making sandals,to afford a new R1.Or to even pay for carbon taxed fuel.

[scumdog]

Good thinking. The massive leap in national I.Q as a result would contribute hugely toward substituting the dairy industry with high-tech industries.

Especially if they take the drop-kick criminal loosers that they seem to favour as employees...

[NDORFN]

Especially if they take the drop-kick criminal loosers that they seem to favour as employees...

YES! Now we're talking!

[NDORFN]

Back to living in a cave and composting your own shit more like it.

You're a strange dude.

[Blackbird]

How do you figure the people of Hamilton are greater polluters than the farms?

Environment Waikato statistics from sampling take-off points along the Waikato. Our company used to receive them as part of our contribution to pollution control. Of course, pollution is an all-embracing term. In the Waikato river, humans and farm runoff are nitrates (the biggest pollutant), Wairakei geothermal power generation the biggest heavy metals and CHH Pulp and Paper one of the biggest colour loads (bark tannins). Doubt that it's changed much since I retired although I don't know about total pollutants.

Give us FACTS if you're going to argue.

[NDORFN]

Environment Waikato statistics from sampling take-off points along the Waikato. Our company used to receive them as part of our contribution to pollution control. Of course, pollution is an all-embracing term. In the Waikato river, humans and farm runoff are nitrates (the biggest pollutant), Wairakei geothermal power generation the biggest heavy metals and CHH Pulp and Paper one of the biggest colour loads (bark tannins). Doubt that it's changed much since I retired although I don't know about total pollutants.

Give us FACTS if you're going to argue.

I did give facts. First-hand facts. And I haven't argued who's the biggest polluter. I just asked a question... and I wasn't about to argue over who the biggest polluter is because it narrows focus. FACT: ALL contributors to pollution in Waikato waterways, big or small, need to be made accountable and it needs to stop. You disagree?