New bike, Annoying problem, Please help.

**Dafe** · 27th September 2009, 09:42

Can also help if you out if needed.

I have a full range of fuses. What type do you need?

Don't buy a charger, I'll loan you mine if you need it.

I'll bring my multimeter and fault find the Ginny's fault for you.

Won't be a major since it's a Suzuki. Probably just some crappy Yamaha/Honda part that's made it's way into the system.

Sent you my number via PM.

**Paul in NZ** · 27th September 2009, 16:04

I love these 'please help' threads followed by kind offers and a thunderous silence from the original poster...

**paddy** · 27th September 2009, 16:27

I am an idiot and got confused as to what thread I was responding to.

**paddy** · 27th September 2009, 17:27

How's it going mr_fett01?

**mr_fett01** · 27th September 2009, 18:58

Update.

This afternoon I got some fuses and replaced that, Dafe was kind enough to pop round and help troubleshoot. He identified that the battery was dead flat so that was put on charge. I have just reconnected the battery and the engine started turning over as soon as i started to connect the second screw. There was no key in the ignition.

Any thoughts.

**paddy** · 27th September 2009, 19:05

Hmmm....you're probably going to need a multimeter to go any further. It sounds like the start solenoid may be stuck in the on position (do bikes have those?) or maybe the the contacts in the ignition switch are fused?

**Paul in NZ** · 27th September 2009, 19:07

Oh dear.... Tell me if I've got this wrong but...

Seller turns up on bike, it seems to go OK.

Next day, it turns over and over but won't fire up?

You hook up the jumper leads, still turns over but no go??

Battery is flat

Charge battery, bike turns over when you reconnect semi charged battery?

Bike is turning over without key in ignition (does it fire?)

Somethings odd here - is there any chance you connected the jumper leads backwards for an instant?

**Paul in NZ** · 27th September 2009, 19:08

Originally Posted by paddy

Hmmm....you're probably going to need a multimeter to go any further. It sounds like the start solenoid may be stuck in the on position (do bikes have those?) or maybe the the contacts in the ignition switch are fused?

Only ones with electric starters

**mr_fett01** · 27th September 2009, 19:11

Originally Posted by Paul in NZ

Oh dear.... Tell me if I've got this wrong but...

Seller turns up on bike, it seems to go OK.

Next day, it turns over and over but won't fire up?

You hook up the jumper leads, still turns over but no go??

Battery is flat

Charge battery, bike turns over when you reconnect semi charged battery?

Bike is turning over without key in ignition (does it fire?)

Somethings odd here - is there any chance you connected the jumper leads backwards for an instant?

That is basically right. It was about 4 days later that I tried to start it. Err pretty sure I got the cables the right way when I tried to jump it... No it didnt fire.

**YellowDog** · 27th September 2009, 19:41

Does the neutral light now illuminate?

Does the RED ingnition light come on?

If you haven't swapped any wires over, then you have a stuck starter relay and this is why the 15 amp fuse blew. It will blow again if you leave it connected.

Easily replaced.

**Paul in NZ** · 27th September 2009, 19:43

OK.... Pull the battery and give it a proper charge, say over night at least and make sure the fluid levels are up to the mark.

More questions,

Do you work in town during the week?

Can you use a multimeter and a hydrometer??

Or - if you are not in a real hurry I can try and pop over after work 1 night? If not, do you have a trailer or a van? You could haul it here to kapiti next weekend and I could drink beer and pull it to bits...

**Paul in NZ** · 27th September 2009, 19:45

Originally Posted by YellowDog

Does the neutral light now illuminate?

Does the RED ingnition light come on?

If you haven't swapped any wires over, then you have a stuck starter relay and this is why the 15 amp fuse blew. It will blow again if you leave it connected.

Easily replaced.

Kinda what i was thinking but it may have another issue too - remember its not firing. I was more thinking about sussing the leads to the battery, sometimes theres an extra one that energises the starter relay (I think - only 1 of my bikes has a pesky starter motor, useless invention)

**hutchy52** · 27th September 2009, 19:47

Originally Posted by YellowDog

Does the neutral light now illuminate?

Does the RED ingnition light come on?

If you haven't swapped any wires over, then you have a stuck starter relay and this is why the 15 amp fuse blew. It will blow again if you leave it connected.

Easily replaced.

Yeah, sticking starter relay is my guess, that is why the starter motor would be turning over without the key on.

**hutchy52** · 27th September 2009, 19:52

Originally Posted by Paul in NZ

Kinda what i was thinking but it may have another issue too - remember its not firing. I was more thinking about sussing the leads to the battery, sometimes theres an extra one that energises the starter relay (I think - only 1 of my bikes has a pesky starter motor, useless invention)

The reason the starter motor can turn over and the bike not fire is because the starter relay is giving the starter power because the circuit is sticking closed, but the ignition coil won't be firing the spark plugs because it is not connected to the dodgey relay.

**Pedrostt500** · 27th September 2009, 20:18

Originally Posted by hutchy52

The reason the starter motor can turn over and the bike not fire is because the starter relay is giving the starter power because the circuit is sticking closed, but the ignition coil won't be firing the spark plugs because it is not connected to the dodgey relay.

My old BMW would do this, I would just give the relay a tap, and it would work ok after.
have PMd offer to take a look, but no promise of cure.