Fair weather rider
i definately agree with motorbikes being safer then push bikes. when i crashed my 250 a few years back, i came out better off then when i crash my bmx at lower speed. in saying that i did have all my gear on when riding the 250.
maybe cyclist should swap lycra for leather?
ACC can go fuck themselves
On the ACC topic, when I worked in emergency we used to be full up every Saturday with bloody rugby players. These guys would use up way more ACC money than motorcyclists. Does anyone know if there is an ACC component to their club dues. Bet there fuckin isn't.
Originally Posted by Swampdonkey
A flash of lightning
Make them pay is what I say.
Ride fast or be last.
BogOff-Cant you see I'm busy?
I do both in and large amounts. I sorry to say that human life has a low value and cyclist seem to be fair game.
If you ride cautiously, then of course motorcycling is safer than a bicycle.
It's the equivelent safety difference of comparing riding a motorcycle to driving a car.
Forum whore
ACC and the MoT don't collect bicycle accident data transparently.
MVA data is scrutinised in detail. Bicycle accidents are all over the place. Bicycles and Pedestrians make up a third of all road deaths and injuries.
Ban them.
If a man is alone in the woods and there isn't a woke Hollywood around to call him racist, is he still white?
Hardcore Biker
only course of action remaining to us is to abolish ACC and spend the money developing a surrogate system like in that new bruce willis movie!
Kicked out of a one-man band.
Why are cyclists even allowed on the roads in the first place. It would be safer for them and other road users if they were restricted to the footpaths. I dare say there would not be a hell of a lot of danger to people just walking on the footpath compared to the situation with cyclists on the road.
A flash of lightning
Cyclists have every right to use the road. If they did not ride like muppets and car drivers showed proper consideration there would not be a problem. Have you ever tried to use a push bike as a mode of transport and only use the footpath? You might as well not bother, it is just too inconvenient and difficult.
Ride fast or be last.
Don't forget to bring a towel
It's obvious that a push bike is far safer than a motorbike. I ride my push bike really drunk quite frequently and have never injured myself on it while drunk. How long do you all think I'd last on my CBR if I rode that pissed before I fuck myself up?
Nana
On the one hand bicycles are the predecessor to motorcycles and have been entitled to use the roads longer than we have had internal combustion engines. On the other hand it is wrong that we cannot remove the rights of road rule abusers to continue with their freedom.
I do not support banning bicycles on the road, I do support licensing bicycles. Question is how and how do we police it?
L-Plate Rider
Not sure but maybe you should go find out
Seeing you will get done for drink driving riding your push bike you muppet
L-Plate Rider
I have to agree with licensing. We pay bigger regos than cars, higher ACC I guess. Push bikes and 50cc scooters dont need wofs and 90 persent of people that ride them have know idea if they are falling apart or not, they might not have brakes etc, this is a big danger. I would be interested in seeing a brake down of what cyclist accidents are made up of by age, gender etc. If we give them an option (Push bikes on 50s), ride on footpath with no rego or wof and a 10km speed limit, this means they are no more dangerous to pedestrians than a skateboarder, rollerblader etc. Or if people do want to use the roads for commuting, make them wear proper protective gear, have a rego and wof and licence, that if they are running reds, ride dangerously etc will lose them their car licence as well the same as us. This means that kids dont lose the experience of riding bikes, they can still ride to school etc (and from what i have seen most of that age use the footpaths anyway), but we dont have these people on bikes on the wrong side of the road coming down port hills at 60kph, well not once they lose there licence and have to go to work on the foot path anyway. To police this there will have to be a change in attitude of the police and the public, at the moment a (although not legally correct) a cyclist is "always in the right" when was the last time you herd of a cyclist having to pay to fix a car they damaged when they were in the wrong. They claim they are road users too but they dont want to take any of the responsibility of a road user, so for the people that want to ride them on our roads, make them take the responsibility that the rest of us have.
Moped rider
pedestrians wear no protective gear and after dark are usually invisible - I do not think pushing faster traffic onto footpaths would be a good idea at all
For whom the bell tolls
I've recently started riding a 20km commute on a push bike twice a week.
Am I scared? No.
Am I more aware of the dangers that are presented to me. Yes.
I ride a lot more cautiously, and funnily enough put into use a lot of the 'defensive driving' techniques that I learnt on the DD course, and also the content we teach at RRRS.
I frequently ride with the flow of traffic when it allows (30-40km on flat, and up to 55-60km on the downhill), but keep my wits about me and I'm always looking for a 'safe spot', if there isn't one then I don't take my chances.
It's not hard to decrease the risks presented to you if you are actively looking for them all the time, and that is how it should be whether you are in a car, on a motorbike, cycling or walking. Perhaps if people focussed more on what they were doing there would be less accidents?
Become complacent and you'll quite probably become dead, or at least very sore in the near future.
KiwiBitcher
where opinion holds more weight than fact.
It's better to not pass and know that you could have than to pass and find out that you can't. Wait for the straight.
Highway Biker
Reason they don't is cos overall the benefits of cycling to overall health pay the health service back many times over - cyclists are less likely to be diabetic, obese (and related diseases) heart problems etc etc etc.
What is needed is for this dumb countrys administration to provide proper cycle lanes (as is the case in most of Europe) and stop making cagers the priority on our roads.
But ... yea, I feel safer on my Triumph than I do on the Condor (my pushbike).
PS - licensing of cycles is a complete fucking over-reaction - a symptom of a ridiculously risk averse public, I can't believe a motorcyclist would advocate the licensing of bicycles. As a kid growing up not being able to ride a bike cos I wasn't licensed would have been an absolute travesty. This is half the problem - kids growing up these days are so sheltered from risk they hit 18 buy a superpowerful vehicle and smash their fuckin brains into lampposts showing off to their mates cos they have no concept of risk. Trying to license cycles would just continue this ridiculous project to the detriment of everyone. Lets just stop people doing anything risky at all and we can all sit on the couch eating donuts and getting fat. Nice and safe. jeezus.
Most of the problem is the attitude of cagers - they think everyone else on the road have less rights to them and are a general inconvenience to their driving pleasure.
Last edited by modboy; 28th September 2009 at 11:23. Reason: PS - licensing cycles - you can't be serious.
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