Demerits for speeding changing?

**Kickaha** · 28th September 2009, 05:33

Originally Posted by Mort

Its all about money - fuckers.

If it was all about the money they would double the fines and let you accumulate more demerits before they pulled your licence

**NinjaNanna** · 28th September 2009, 08:12

If true then that will probably be the straw that broke this camels back.

Being a weekend warrior (especially so on long weekends), its hard enough to justify the play toy as it is, make it that easy to lose one's license and I think its game over.

Might be off to the dirt bikes me thinks, or finally off to the buckets.

**p.dath** · 28th September 2009, 08:39

I don't have any problem with the dermits being used as the instrument of deterrent as opposed to cash.

The problem with a fine is that $80 maybe nothing to one person, and hence no deterent, and to another represent a month of disposable income and hence a much harsher penalty.

Demerit points apply equally to everyone, no matter how much you earn, how flash your car is, or weather you have the capacity to pay to support a bad habbit.

And well, unpopular this will be to many members, if you habitually speed (and get caught) then you will loose your licence. Simple.

**sil3nt** · 28th September 2009, 08:41

Originally Posted by p.dath

The problem with a fine is that $80 maybe nothing to one person, and hence no deterent, and to another represent a month of disposable income and hence a much harsher penalty.

If you can't afford the fine then don't do the crime....

**p.dath** · 28th September 2009, 08:44

Originally Posted by sil3ntwar

If you can't afford the fine then don't do the crime....

Ahh, but what about those who can't afford the fine, but keep doing the crime anyway? They just choose not to pay.

**Morcs** · 28th September 2009, 08:51

*sigh*

This is going to encourage more runners...

Hell, if ya got at least 150hp, why would you stop?

I know I wont be stopping if a cop wants to take my license for doing 120...

Its also a good incentive to not have a number plate displayed too.

It should take a lot more to loose your license...

**p.dath** · 28th September 2009, 08:57

Originally Posted by Morcs

*sigh*

This is going to encourage more runners...

Hell, if ya got at least 150hp, why would you stop?

I know I wont be stopping if a cop wants to take my license for doing 120...

Its also a good incentive to not have a number plate displayed too.

It should take a lot more to loose your license...

You'd risk a short stint in jail by running from the cops? You have to be kidding right?

The 120km/h comment is interesting. This seems a very low speed for getting enough demerit points to loose your licence in one hit (assuming we aren't talking about a 50km/h speed zone). Has this been published somewhere, or was it just "some speed" that someone was talking about?

**PirateJafa** · 28th September 2009, 08:58

Originally Posted by sil3ntwar

If you can't afford the fine then don't do the crime....

So you're saying the affluent members of society should be allowed to speed and offend as they wish?

You believe selling indulgences is the way to go?

Fool.

**crazyhorse** · 28th September 2009, 09:09

Yip, they do that in Australia - and it does make you think twice on Public Holidays - well.......... only for a moment

**sil3nt** · 28th September 2009, 09:23

Originally Posted by PirateJafa

Fool.

Thanks i couldn't have said it any better myself

**Usarka** · 28th September 2009, 09:36

It's one of the initiatives in the safer journeys report which is up for public consultation.

So of course it's not a given until that process is finished.

**marty** · 28th September 2009, 10:01

I've been having a read of the Safer Journeys document. There are some very good points in there - none of which will make riding a bike/driving a car on the road any more fun though, but some of the inititaves are pretty behaviour changing! Zero BAC for under 20's and recidivists, demerits on speed and red light cameras, lowering speeding fines for increased demerits (it does not state by how much though), compulsory ABS on all bikes over 600cc from 2015, reducuing speed in urban areas to 30-40km/h, removing the 'no licence but you can ride a scooter' rule. Makes for good reading I reckon. I can't really see anything I wouldn't support to some degree.

http://www.transport.govt.nz/saferjo...Final_ISBN.pdf