Speeding

[Morcs]

Until we swap the fines for demerit points ...

Then its less revenue.

I wouldve thought it would be in the governments interest to make loosing a license more difficult, whilst retaining the nice revenue from ticketing.
If drivers are disqualified, they cant be out on the road giving more money to the government..

[Morcs]

The problem is that the kiwi licence is given out to just about any retard that can turn a steering wheel (cannot call them a "driver"...).
European driver training is vastly superior than ours... or so we are told.
Here, we just traing someone to be able to pass the test, not really drive.

This is true. Our equivalent of the basic handling is a full 8 hour training/test day, with a lot of theory, car park work, basic bike checking, and on road stuff. Even then you are only allowed on a 125 after that...

[Jacko2]

What does "our" mean?
Interested to know.

[Indiana_Jones]

all that anti speeding nazi crap, well my question is, is it just because they cant ride above the speed limit? are scared or incapable at handling a motorcycle at a whopping speed of 120kph?

Or do they just like being authoritarians on the internet?

The hard-deck for this hop was 10,00 feet. You knew it. You broke it.

You followed Commander Heatherly below after he lost sight of you & called no joy. Why?

Sir, I had him in my sights. He saw me move in for the kill.

He proceeded below the hard-deck. We were below for just a few seconds.

I had the shot. There was no danger, so I took it.

You took it, and broke a major rule of engagement.

Then you broke another one with that circus stunt fly-by.

Top Gun rules of engagement exist for your safety and for that of your team.

They're not flexible, nor am I. Obey them or you're history. Is that clear?

Yes sir!



-Indy

[Bass]

I think it totally ridiculous for some bureaucrat in an office to tell me what is "safe" for me on any given piece of road. And if I am supposed to figure out what is "safe" then the bureaucrat can bugger off entirely. I'm not interested in his 100kph. It may not be safe. If I am capable of determining whether 100kph is "safe" , I am equally capable of determining if 120kph is "safe". "Safe" , for me. Only.

You make your case with your usual eloquence and also as usual, there is logic therein. Tell me though, do you have some pragmatic and workable alternative to a blanket speed limit?
I don't and I have thought about it a great deal while bearing in mind that as is often mooted here, speed per se does not kill, but differential speed surely can.
It seems to me that there is simply no other realistic way to regulate for the vagaries of all the different road users out there.

[Morcs]

The hard-deck for this hop was 10,00 feet. You knew it. You broke it.

You followed Commander Heatherly below after he lost sight of you & called no joy. Why?

Sir, I had him in my sights. He saw me move in for the kill.

He proceeded below the hard-deck. We were below for just a few seconds.

I had the shot. There was no danger, so I took it.

You took it, and broke a major rule of engagement.

Then you broke another one with that circus stunt fly-by.

Top Gun rules of engagement exist for your safety and for that of your team.

They're not flexible, nor am I. Obey them or you're history. Is that clear?

Yes sir!



-Indy

Sorry, but it's time to buzz the tower.

[Indiana_Jones]

Sorry, but it's time to buzz the tower.

No Morcs! not a good idea man!

-Indy

[Morcs]

You make your case with your usual eloquence and also as usual, there is logic therein. Tell me though, do you have some pragmatic and workable alternative to a blanket speed limit?
I don't and I have thought about it a great deal.
It seems to me that there is simply no other realistic way to regulate for the vagaries of all the different road users out there.

Simple. Keep people who cant drive/ride off the roads.
Raise the driving age to 21

Then raise the speed limit a wee bit.

Sorted.

[Morcs]

No Morcs! not a good idea man!

-Indy

Slider...



You stink.

[Indiana_Jones]

Slider...



You stink.

Don't tease me

-Indy

[Bass]

Simple. Keep people who cant drive/ride off the roads.
Raise the driving age to 21

Then raise the speed limit a wee bit.

Sorted.

It's just not that simple.
There are so many other factors involved.
While I grant you that bad driving is a major contributor, it's far from being the only cause of road accidents.
Further, despite what Les says about bureaucrats, I think that many of the restrictions which we operate under come down to what society as a whole decides they can live with and that those restrictions evolve gradually with circumstances. Consequently, if I am right, there is a huge body of people out there who do not see this the way that you do.
Lastly, your "fix" still includes a blanket speed limit - albeit a higher one - and so you haven't answered the question at all.

[ManDownUnder]

If drivers are disqualified, they cant be out on the road giving more money to the government..

... "can't" - or "aren't allowed to be"...?

[Swoop]

This is true. Our equivalent of the basic handling is a full 8 hour training/test day, with a lot of theory, car park work, basic bike checking, and on road stuff. Even then you are only allowed on a 125 after that...

How about NZ follows suit? Actually train motorists' to begin with. Don't make it optional. More in-depth education at the very beginning. It will cost more, but that would be offset by the motorist saving money (not being taxed for doing stupid stuff later on...) in the long run.

[Morcs]

How about NZ follows suit? Actually train motorists' to begin with. Don't make it optional. More in-depth education at the very beginning. It will cost more, but that would be offset by the motorist saving money (not being taxed for doing stupid stuff later on...) in the long run.

Its the way it should be. Simple prevention rather than correction.

Id feel much safer on the road if i knew all other motorists had a decent level of training.

[Swoop]

Its the way it should be. Simple prevention rather than correction.

Id feel much safer on the road if i knew all other motorists had a decent level of training.

The concept of having "the fence at the top of the cliff" rather than the ambulance at the bottom. Revolutionary talk!