Speeding

[slofox]

Its the way it should be. Simple prevention rather than correction.

Id feel much safer on the road if i knew all other motorists had a decent level of training.

Yep. Me too. 'specially when I see some of the stuff that happens on local roads...

[Morcs]

The concept of having "the fence at the top of the cliff" rather than the ambulance at the bottom. Revolutionary talk!

The organisation shall take action to eliminate the cause of nonconformities in order to prevent re-occurance. Corrective actions shall be appropriate to the effects of the nonconformities encountered.

The organisation shall determine actions to eliminate the cause of nonconformities in order to prevent their occurance. Preventive actions shall be appropriate to the effects of the potential problems

Maybe the government needs to read these things...

[p.dath]

Then its less revenue.

I wouldve thought it would be in the governments interest to make loosing a license more difficult, whilst retaining the nice revenue from ticketing.
If drivers are disqualified, they cant be out on the road giving more money to the government..

It is only more difficult to keep your licence if you choose to keep breaking the law and getting caught. If there was no deterrent then you might as well not have laws.

Those who feel oppressed by the regime often site references to revenue collection. But I'll put it forward that my is the fines are simply a deterrent. It's that simple. And often the simplest explanation is the right one ...
So perhaps its not a conspiracy where the Government is trying to target motorcycle riders travelling at 120km/h on the road? Perhaps the Government is just trying to keep everyone as safe as it can while allowing as much personal freedom as it can afford?

How about NZ follows suit? Actually train motorists' to begin with. Don't make it optional. More in-depth education at the very beginning. It will cost more, but that would be offset by the motorist saving money (not being taxed for doing stupid stuff later on...) in the long run.

A lot of accidents also involve returning riders. Training at just the beginning would not be enough.
I've suggested before that our licences should not be re-newed automatically every 10 years without having to do anything. Perhaps re-training/education should occur at this point in time.

The concept of having "the fence at the top of the cliff" rather than the ambulance at the bottom. Revolutionary talk!

Just make sure it's not a cheese cutter.

[Morcs]

It is only more difficult to keep your licence if you choose to keep breaking the law and getting caught. If there was no deterrent then you might as well not have laws.

Those who feel oppressed by the regime often site references to revenue collection. But I'll put it forward that my is the fines are simply a deterrent. It's that simple. And often the simplest explanation is the right one ...
So perhaps its not a conspiracy where the Government is trying to target motorcycle riders travelling at 120km/h on the road? Perhaps the Government is just trying to keep everyone as safe as it can while allowing as much personal freedom as it can afford?

So you ever smile? or have fun?
I bet you want tree climbing banned too.

If you rode your bike at even 50% of what its capable to be ridden at, you wouldnt be saying any of this. Mind you, the F4 is a bit of a whale...

[Swoop]

A lot of accidents also involve returning riders. Training at just the beginning would not be enough.

"Returning riders" would have had the benefit of better training to begin with and then the experience gained after that initial period of riding. When "returning" they would have more knowledge/experience.

Teach good skills. Gain more skills based on that initial training.

[Dean]

Really?

I thought we are all here to learn?

I just learned doing ***kph out a 45kph blind corner isn't the best thing to do when there's a truckie guy trying to cross the road dodging me by about 10cm on my way to kumeu out of coatesville riverhead. Luckily his pot belly wasn't so well pottish or else I would of ripped out what he had for dinner last night. Poor guy got such a fright....... I think I made a grown man pee himself. My lesson learnt

[rainman]

Are all the people on here who say things like:

Dont speed
Dont break the law
Do the crime pay the fine

all that anti speeding nazi crap, well my question is, is it just because they cant ride above the speed limit? are scared or incapable at handling a motorcycle at a whopping speed of 120kph?

Interesting discussion. I'm less in the "don't speed at all" category and more in the "don't see the fucking point" category. I tend to diss all the young flyboys (and yes, I'd bet there is a correlation between age + testosterone level and stupid behaviour) because they seem to think they're invincible, and "it won't happen to me, I'm too good" is just denialist idiocy. Reasonable speed (120-ish on the open road, depending) is generally OK in my book, but beyond that, take it to the track - a mistake could easily cost someone else their life.

Do not impose on others that which you would not choose for yourself.

I think it's a case of been there done that nothing left to prove for me.

I'm not king of the hill in terms of speed and riding - I know it.
...
I also have 3 gorgeous little people to come home to
...
The "you do the crime you do the time" aspect of things is simply maturity.

Yup to all of what he said (except I have 2 kids, not 3). I ride an mid-size cruiser because:

• I like the cruiser look
• My elderly back doesn't support doing permanent push-ups on the bars of a sporty
• I don't need the speed - I genuinely like to cruise around and see where I am, not blat through the country as quick as I can
• I know I have too little skill and self-discipline to ride a fast bike and not kill myself...
• ...and this bothers me and my ego not one bit

Depends on your reaction times - yes the faster you go, the bigger the mess, but when you become attuned to riding a higher speeds, 100kph is bloody dangerous!

I call bullshit - this is the myth that it won't happen to you because you're too good. Skill is always a factor but it does not trump physics. You don't control all the factors.

What DOES puzzle me is why so many of those people buy very large bikes (usually crusiers) , capable of breaking the speed limit by a many fold factor. When their personal ethos says they won't ever do it. Why not a nice 250 or 400?

I'm not one of your "these people" - in fact I don't know any rule-keepers as extreme as you depict - but I do own a crusier that is not very different to a 250 or 400 in some ways. (Well, maybe not a 250 or 400 cruiser). The reason why I own my bike is because I like it and it does all I need. My next bike would probably be a DR650 or similar. Bikes are tools for a purpose, plus some aesthetic appeal factor. I don't need a fast sporty, so I don't own one. Easy.

Motorcycles are INHERENTLY dangerous. If we were the sort of people that were highly influenced by such calculations, we wouldn't be riding in the first place.

I'm not sure if your logic is broken or if you're being insulting to bikers here.

Personally, I make my own call. I have a "danger level" that is acceptable to me. In some circumstances that danger level may be reached at 70kph. So that's what I'll do even if the limit is 100.

All of what you say is true, but for the fact that rulemakers (and the vast majority of the great unwashed), are broadly idiots that like simple devices to control things. Legislating for a flexible speed limit depending on judgement would be a disaster - I think many more idiots and innocents would be killed.

Personally, I'd trust your judgement on the road as a "fellow traveller", but most YD&FOC wankers on their litre bikes are, well, dumb, and are just a liability. You are a Grown-Up (TM), therefore are somewhat less dumb.

Morcs mate - you need to get off our roads. Come spend some time out on the ambulance, it will change your perspective. If you really want to astound everyone here about how wonderful you are and how quick your reaction times are, get out on the track and put your money where you mouth is.

That's why tracks exist - I really can't see a moral justification for 200k on public roads.

Top Gun rules of engagement exist for your safety and for that of your team.

They're not flexible, nor am I. Obey them or you're history. Is that clear?

Yes sir!

What is he doing with his hand?

[red675]

He's lying.

675 or bigger? The 675 won't do anything under 120.....

actually it was a 955 and a little while ago, but who's counting

however I have managed to keep below 120 on my 675 (but it does require staying in second) ...

[red675]

or maybe they have respect for the laws that govern our country and dont see why they should be able to only follow the rules they choose?

how can you say that and be the 2nd most badass biker ?

[st00ji]

prevention? training? education? bunch of fucking communists, that shit is not how we roll in NZ.

got a problem with boyracers? we need a new law!
got a problem with illegal downloads? we need a new law!
got a problem with child abuse? we need a new law!

forget about the cause, making it an offence will defintely banish any problems.

[Morcs]

I ride an mid-size cruiser

I call bullshit - this is the myth that it won't happen to you because you're too good. Skill is always a factor but it does not trump physics. You don't control all the factors.

There you go. Ride a sports bike with at least 100hp and you will understand. 100kph after a while feels so slow that you could jump off and walk alongside the bike - and thats not an exaggeration, thats what it actually feels like sometimes - this is why I dont have a sportsbike anymore.

[slofox]

Ride a sports bike with at least 100hp and you will understand.

Errr...I don't even need 100hp...

[Littleman]

Ixion is my idol.

Why?

You're not a virgin.

You don't still live at home.

You don't wear cardigans.

And you don't smell like my Grandpa.

[Morcs]

Errr...I don't even need 100hp...

That emphasises my point moreso

[rainman]

Ride a sports bike with at least 100hp and you will understand. 100kph after a while feels so slow that you could jump off and walk alongside the bike - and thats not an exaggeration, thats what it actually feels like sometimes - this is why I dont have a sportsbike anymore.

I have ridden fast powerful bikes and do understand. As listed above, this is one reason why I don't have a sportsbike. I know my skills, abilities and needs.

Speed is an addiction. During the evolutionary past we did not spend much time doing 200kph, so have an adrenaline rush when we do, which is chemically "nice". But it's also addictive, and we tend to keep upping the dose (constrained only by our higher cerebral functions). Risk taking has always been part of the human experience, but technology allows us to push our limits easier than we could in the past. And we're generally getting stoopider, mainly because of diet and living arrangements.

We've never been particularly good at admitting there are things we can't do, and limits beyond which we can't go. Doesn't make it less true, though.