Court - What to expect

[scumdog]

Bummer Bass, that is not good at all, my sympathy to you and family..

Any chance of claiming costs/compensation?

[SixPackBack]

Paranoid, much?????????????

What do ya think I am gonna do...?

Hunt ya down?

Bwahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahha

Lay off the "P"

Plently have given personal detail here. Always more than happy to help.

More than happy to prove you were right, too. And if so, the public apology would be worth it, dontcha think?

That, or a bourbon or 5......

Attempting to bring diresion on my character or being abusive hurts your image a shit load more than mine.

[scumdog]

Attempting to bring diresion on my character or being abusive hurts your image a shit load more than mine.

You have an image???

OMG, who woulda thunk it!!!

[scumdog]

OMG - he HAS!!

And I'm a twat -apparently!

[SixPackBack]

OMG - he HAS!!

And I'm a twat -apparently!

Nothing apparent about it, much like my 28 month wait for for a minor speeding offence-both are fact.

[scumdog]

Nothing apparent about it, much like my 28 month wait for for a minor speeding offence-both are fact.

Ah, but are they?


And more importantly, who gives a fat-rats-arse about either??

[Patrick]

Attempting to bring diresion on my character or being abusive hurts your image a shit load more than mine.

Pfft. You think way too highly of yerself. If saying I am blind, deluded or corrupt is the best you can come up with, I think I will survive, safe in the knowledge that you don't know shit from clay.

I called you on a point, something easily proved..... and in response, you red bling. Being abusive? Meh... Boo Hooo.

You had a chance to prove me wrong. Guess I wasn't...........

[SixPackBack]

Patrick,
I didn't expect it, but since I put up the previous post, I have received a few messages indicating that I am far from alone in my experiences with the Police and court system.

Despite what I posted, I have no axe to grind and so have tried to be as dispassionate and non-partisan as I can.

What makes it hard though is that the financial cost to my family so far is just a little under $10,000 and for something that could have been proved not to have occurred if the Police had just spoken to the witnesses whose names they were given on day one.

I used to support the Police wholeheartedly. The son concerned used to flat with a bunch of cops. We are all of us pretty disillusioned now and I regret that my attitude has changed.

There are no winners here.

Ditto, long term poor treatment has left many clean skins twisted.......hopefully this thread highlights the potential issues individuals can suffer. Judging by the response from the KB coppers such instances are relativley rare, but if you are unlucky [as this thread again shows] don't expect any help.
The system is a long way from perfect-manned with individuals and systems that refuse to take responsibility for shortcomings and mistakes.

[Patrick]

Judging by the response from the KB coppers such instances are relativley rare, but if you are unlucky [as this thread again shows] don't expect any help.
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There you go again... talking shit, then coming up with a pearler..... Hard to follow...

As for not expecting any help?

You're wrong.........

[peasea]

Pfft. You think way too highly of yerself. If saying I am blind, deluded or corrupt is the best you can come up with, I think I will survive

Coz you have shitloads to hide behind and bottomless pits of cash to cover any legal challenge.

You might survive some things.

[Patrick]

Coz you have shitloads to hide behind and bottomless pits of cash to cover any legal challenge.

You might survive some things.

Shit no. The bank owns the house. Shitloads of cash? Maybe after Saturday night, 8pm.... or 8.05pm perhaps....

[Bass]

Damn shame that, Bass...

$300k certainly is not for a speeding ticket, so the spiteful one obviously had some story to tell. I assume the Police interviewed the alleged wrongdoer... and if so, surely the names given would have sorted it out before charges were laid? Thats how it works in my world........

All correct up to the names given part and if your procedure had happened, all would have been sweet. For whatever reason, it didn't.
The 300k I mentioned is my estimate (and a pretty loose one) of the cost to the country for all the court sessions and Police time and takes no account of time off work etc for the others involved. I am probably wrong. I suspect it was more. The cost to me personally was just under 10k.
For the life of me, I cannot understand why the witnesses were not contacted, especially after some hints from judges that were so broad, they bordered on directions.

We had no problem with the person concerned laying a complaint either, but if she had only told the truth, the whole thing would have been sorted out reasonably.

We are down in the Naki often enough.
If you have any interest I could tell you the whole story over a beer one evening.

Bummer Bass, that is not good at all, my sympathy to you and family..

Any chance of claiming costs/compensation?

In honesty, I don't know.
I suspect that we would have to take the police to court for wrongful prosecution or something of that kind. We don't have the resources to take on the crown and I'm sure that you know how little justice derives from our justice system, in either direction.

We all just want to see an end to it now and it's nearly over.

[Bass]

There you go again... talking shit, then coming up with a pearler..... Hard to follow...

No, not really.
In debates like this, we tend to argue our own point of view. It's human nature. You're a cop - you must have seen it.

I've been in middle management most of my working life and so dispute resolution has been a large part of that.
I learned early that until you have both sides of the story, you have nothing. Even then, those two sides can be so biased that it's difficult to believe they are both discussing the same incident - and that's when there is no dishonesty involved.

I have always admired someone who can restrict themselves to the facts, even when it's to their own disadvantage.

[Bass]

Judging by the response from the KB coppers such instances are relativley rare,
The system is a long way from perfect-manned with individuals and systems that refuse to take responsibility for shortcomings and mistakes.

I think you balance the argument quite well here.

[Patrick]

We are down in the Naki often enough.
If you have any interest I could tell you the whole story over a beer one evening.

Any time...!!! PM when you're in town.

In honesty, I don't know.
I suspect that we would have to take the police to court for wrongful prosecution or something of that kind. We don't have the resources to take on the crown and I'm sure that you know how little justice derives from our justice system, in either direction.

We all just want to see an end to it now and it's nearly over.

Question costs at the time it is tossed by the judge... You might be surprised how symathetic he/she may be, if the "directions" given were ignored...

No, not really.
In debates like this, we tend to argue our own point of view. It's human nature. You're a cop - you must have seen it.

This was directed to SPB.... not you... ???