Sidecar racing in New Zealand

[Kickaha]

Gez Kick were you saying something...
I fell asleep trying to read all of your dribble

You just don't get it do you.
You either have not been around sidecars that long or you can't remember back that far.
History never repeats, Insert Tui Ad here.

Chris and Scrivy draged the association back from the bring of being kick out of MNZ several years ago, and we are headed down that same path.

Do you want some glasses, as you are very short sighted.

I've been around long enough to have seen it all before and if you had bothered to read it you would have seen an way around all the "we can't afford 3 weeks off" excuses

If the Sidecars aren't prepared to put the effort in to support a full National series they don't deserve to be there

You know basically from year to year roughly when the dates will be and there's 4 months advance warning from when the proper dates are advised, not as though you guys get any other racing so you got plenty of time to save up for them and organise your selves

But instead it all gets put in the too hard basket, instead of making excuses why they can't do it, they should be looking for ways on how to do it

[rat]

When its all fucked & the big men of the sport have wandered off to conquer the world at croquet & lawn bowls, it will be the same small group of individuals with a passion for the sport that will once again rescue it from the brink of disaster, which by my rekoning isint too far off.

All to right.
And so it will be.

[sidecar bob]

I've been around long enough to have seen it all before and if you had bothered to read it you would have seen an way around all the "we can't afford 3 weeks off" excuses

If the Sidecars aren't prepared to put the effort in to support a full National series they don't deserve to be there

You know basically from year to year roughly when the dates will be and there's 4 months advance warning from when the proper dates are advised, not as though you guys get any other racing so you got plenty of time to save up for them and organise your selves

But instead it all gets put in the too hard basket, instead of making excuses why they can't do it, they should be looking for ways on how to do it

We are current supposed to be operating under what was decided at the last AGM (2 Sth Isl rounds) There hasnt been another AGM since that was decided so we had been long term planning for that. Now it seems one of the "more important" members of the association has MNZ in his pocket & the goalposts have been moved. If people want to move the goalposts they are more than welcome to play with themselves, but we will politely decline from involving ourselves.

[rat]

I've been around long enough to have seen it all before and if you had bothered to read it you would have seen an way around all the "we can't afford 3 weeks off" excuses

If the Sidecars aren't prepared to put the effort in to support a full National series they don't deserve to be there

You know basically from year to year roughly when the dates will be and there's 4 months advance warning from when the proper dates are advised, not as though you guys get any other racing so you got plenty of time to save up for them and organise your selves

But instead it all gets put in the too hard basket, instead of making excuses why they can't do it, they should be looking for ways on how to do it

No I dont have the time or the money to support a full Nationals, nor does the majority of the Paid members of the association hence the Postal vote outcome.

[rat]

We are current supposed to be operating under what was decided at the last AGM (2 Sth Isl rounds) There hasnt been another AGM since that was decided so we had been long term planning for that. Now it seems one of the "more important" members of the association has MNZ in his pocket & the goalposts have been moved. If people want to move the goalposts they are more than welcome to play with themselves, but we will politely decline from involving ourselves.

Yep no Nationals for me either only the Tri-Series and Paeroa.

[old fartz]

we will be going to go to the tri series and paeroa we have a wedding to save for swingers getting hitched

[burtsidecar16]

thats fine kicka you can go and race with all your friends that you usually party with in that phone box

[jellywrestler]

Gez Kick were you saying something...
I fell asleep trying to read all of your dribble

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seems clear to me by your abusive language and your attitude towards a south islander on the whole thing, one whose actually spent a lot of time penning his thoughts ideas on this subject etc that you're minds closed on this and you didn't start this thread for discussion, just to have a one sided rant...

[rat]

seems clear to me by your abusive language and your attitude towards a south islander on the whole thing, one whose actually spent a lot of time penning his thoughts ideas on this subject etc that you're minds closed on this and you didn't start this thread for discussion, just to have a one sided rant...

Gez Spyda I thought you of all people would understand what is the best for the future of our sport?
After all you have been around the sport when they were running stone wheels.

[jellywrestler]

Gez Spyda I thought you of all people would understand what is the best for the future of our sport?
After all you have been around the sport when they were running stone wheels.

I do Rat. Its a passion for me but I simply don't see that the tone of your original post and your attitude to Kickaha's well written (whether you agree or not) and in depth view from another competitor, and south islander who has similar logistics in travelling, only the other way around, doesn't really seem that you want to see other peoples views.

[Kickaha]

When its all fucked & the big men of the sport have wandered off to conquer the world at croquet & lawn bowls, it will be the same small group of individuals with a passion for the sport that will once again rescue it from the brink of disaster, which by my rekoning isint too far off.

It's been on the brink of disaster ever since I have been watching and involved, when I first did the Nationals they minimum requirement for a class was 6 on the grid and 1/2 the time there was a problem getting that

It doesn't need the "same small group" it needs the associations members as a whole to come to consensus regarding this with all the egos and jealousy left at the door before the discussion starts, unfortunately that isn't ever liable to happen

No I dont have the time or the money to support a full Nationals, nor does the majority of the Paid members of the association hence the Postal vote outcome.

So you speak for the majority of the paid members? and what postal vote was this?

There is ten months from when the Nationals ends until the next Nationals start and that still isn't enough time to save the money and organise the time off? even with the fact you get no club racing up there?

Personally I don't give a fuck whether there are 4 or 5 rounds, even with being in the South where 3 out of the 5 rounds will be held 4 rounds is still obviously easier financially, especially as for the past few years we've had to make 2 trips north and will have to again this year

I reckon I have as much passion for sidecar racing as anyone, I race whenever possible and even when doing the Nationals has left me fairly stressed financially I have still done it just for the love of the sport even when it's meant that a lot of other stuff I would like to do has been put on the backburner

This years Nationals was only 4 rounds and how many were on the grid
(mylaps qualifying)
Ruapuna 13, 7 NI, 5 SI
Levels 10, 7 NI, 3 SI ( Bill crashed, Col sick)
Manfield 14 , 10 NI, 2 SI
Pukekohe 12, 10 NI, 2 SI

So is only doing 4 rounds going to give us better numbers this year? I doubt it when you look at the previous couple of years (08 wasn't any better)

You can also see a bit of difference in that every available SI sidecar turns up on the gird at their Island National events, pity the guys in the North don't show the same level of support for their local rounds

[Kickaha]

from mylaps as far back as I could look from Q1 (some years there were no results up for some rounds)

02-03 champs

Dec 02, Manfield, 8 sidecars
Feb 03, Levels, 7 sidecars
Feb 03, Ruapuna 9 sidecars

03-04 champs

Dec 03, Pukekohe, 11 sidecars
Dec 03, Manfield, 9 sidecars
Jan 04, Ruapuna, 10 sidecars

04-05 champs

Dec 04, Ruapuna, 10 sidecars
Dec 04, Teretonga, 8 sidecars
Feb 05, Manfield, 8 sidecars
Mar 05, Pukekohe, 8 sidecars

05-06 champs

Dec 05, Puke, 16 sidecars
Manfield, Dec, 15 sidecars
Levels, Jan 06, 10 sidecars
Ruapuna, Jan 06, 12 sidecars

07 champs

Levels, Jan 07, 18 sidecars
Ruapuna Jan 07, 19 sidecars
Manfield, Feb 07, 19 sidecars
Pukekohe Mar 07, 21 sidecars

08 champs

Ruapuna Jan 08, 12 sidecars
Levels Jan 08, 13 sidecars
Manfield, Feb 08 14 sidecars
Pukekohe Mar 08, 10 sidecars

09 Champs

Levels, Jan 09, 10 sidecars
Ruapuna, Jan 09, 13 sidecars
Manfield, Feb 09, 14 sidecars
Puke, Mar 09, 12 sidecars

Now 07 was a bumper year, but I think that was the year all the entries were subsidised by the sidecar Association through sponsorship?

Now I've been told more than once about how many Sidecars there are in the North Island so where are they all? and why don't they attend local National rounds when there is so little racing throughout the year?

[Shorty_925]

Whats the cross country rule Shorty?

Cross Countries have similar to what was mentioned earlier, 4 rounds, 3 count dropping your worst round, but as kickaha mentioned people wouldnt travel for that worst round. In cross country its slightly different, the rounds arent tooo far away from the ferry which isnt as possible with road racing. The most sountern round is down to the city of the damned, and the most northern is Palmerston North.

[sidecar bob]

It doesn't need the "same small group" it needs the associations members as a whole to come to consensus regarding this with all the egos and jealousy left at the door before the discussion starts, unfortunately that isn't ever liable to happen

Yes, but it always is the same small group. Ego's & jealousy??? I distinctly remember one "member" at the last AGM repeat at least five times during the AGM "ive spent a lot of money on this sport", or words to that effect, thinking it gave him more clout to his arguments. When all he's actually done is spent a lot of money on himself, not the sport.
If i was jealous of the fact that you guys have to fuck around endlessly with overpriced heaps of shit, id buy one no problem, but im not.
P.S The majority voted for 2 rounds down south at the last AGM, so not sure how your argument stands up there.

[rat]

I do Rat. Its a passion for me but I simply don't see that the tone of your original post and your attitude to Kickaha's well written (whether you agree or not) and in depth view from another competitor, and south islander who has similar logistics in travelling, only the other way around, doesn't really seem that you want to see other peoples views.

The travel views of kicks does have merrit if you have the xtra cash to throw at flights(Have you tried to fly out of Wanganui).
The other views do not. Seeing he is not a paid up member of NZSCRA and was not at the AGM and did not vote on the postal vote.
I thought the rest was dribble.
That is the point of this post to view everyones side (that wants to put their 2 cents worth in) of things and have a debate.