Radar Love

[Rincewind]

Hello Peeps

Just got my second ping for speeding in six months,both for hard acceleration past a car on an uphill short passing lane,actual terminal speed was approx 120 but the laser said 127 so 200 bucks please and lots of points.
My latest one is outrageously over at 136,my actual terminal speed was 125,so this time 400 bucks and 50 points......for speeding for approximatley 100Mtrs ouch....

My opinion about overtaking does not concur with the authorities however and I will continue to indicate from well back as I approach the vehicle from behind,accelerate crisply past and indicate back into the left hand lane and return to the legal limit if I have had to exceed it.
This has worked for me for over 40 years of riding and in my opinion gives everyone a clear indication of what you propose to do and allows the driver of the vehicle you are passing a good chance of watching and predicting your manouver from start to finish.
How many times have you had a vehicle try to pass you doing 1 KPH more than you for half a click,at some stage you lose him in the mirror and have to start looking around for him,then you find you are closing on the vehicle in front and have to drop back and move out behind him and slow down to get some braking distance back arrggghhhh...

Anyway what I want is some good Radar advice,because I'm going to have to bite the bullet now and buy a critter.One more strike and I am out,I'm not going to change my driving style just because some tart has a laser gun and plays hide and seek to catch someone out for doing 25 KPH over the limit for a hundred metres or so(Has anyone else noticed the increase in female Pokie machine drivers operating on SHY 1) ohh sorry its all about road safety isn't it,nothing to do with revinue gathering..no.no I hear you all say !!

Well come on lets have the low down,because I know youve all got one,please dont preach to me about the impending illegality of owning or using one,I'll cross that bridge when the time comes,I drive and ride approx 60,000 Ks a year and up untill I moved to NZ four years ago I had never had a ticket, this year I get two so the Law of averages says that unless I alter my 40 year old driving style I'm going to get busted again real soon.
Before someone gets on their high horse about me being a compulsive speeder and a danger to the Human Race,I comply with the speed limit in the normal way for the majority of the time,I may sometimes keep up with the traffic flow on a single lane carridgeway if they are doing a few K over (I can't now though...ping)
And I have never been involved in an accident....

Kind Regards

Rincewind Tech Rep to the unseen university

[beyond]

Bel STI XR. Awesome unit and undetectable in operation to the cops as well.

[scorpious]

I use a escort passport x50, only time i got a ticket was when I didn't have it with me. this thing has probably saved me thousands

http://www.radardirect.co.nz/new/frameset/

p.s I also recoment buying brand new. made the mistake of going for a cheepy on trademe and it was pakarued. oh and the waterproof cover is well worth the money

[Gremlin]

Sounds like you're having fun meeting the local cops aye?

Couple of things, RD, if you want the best (some will disagree) its either a Valentine 1 or Bel STI Driver (aka Bel STI XR or something, different markets). V1 has the advantage of direction indicators and rearward facing sensor, Bel is undetectable (if you decide to look like you don't ah, have one )

I have a Bel STI, others have had problems, mine has survived more than a year of riding, over 30,000km probably, been dropped a couple of times and survived a couple of bins. Others have had big problems with overheating etc.

Second issue... if you truly think you are going less than the cops are claiming (not sure how you know for sure) then I suggest you also get a GPS. Unless you have an amazing witness in terms of character etc, your next best idea is to have satellite backed evidence of your speed, only way to really beat the cops claim (Yep, one reason I have mine most of the time).

[flyingcrocodile46]

3rd vote for the Bel STI No false alerts, never misses a radar. oh yeah! Bike friendly. You need it in the feild of vision or it ain't worth squat, or a remote audio or flashing light for your helmet. A connection jack is required. I am not sure on this but have been led to believe that only the bel sti, Valentine and latest escort have jacks for remotes.

[mowgli]

My Triumph uses a magnetic pickup on the front hub to measure speed. After accelerating to a known RPM there is noticeable (1-2s) lag before the indicated speed catches up to the expected speed. If I accelerate hard then decelerate just as rapidly in a passing manoeuvre I've noticed that the indicated peak speed is less than the speed I would get if I maintain the peak RPM over time. This may explain the discrepancy between the OP's indicated peak and the alleged infringement.

Second issue... if you truly think you are going less than the cops are claiming (not sure how you know for sure) then I suggest you also get a GPS. Unless you have an amazing witness in terms of character etc, your next best idea is to have satellite backed evidence of your speed, only way to really beat the cops claim (Yep, one reason I have mine most of the time).

Just curious if you've tried this? I imagine that for it to be admissible as evidence you'd have to surrender the GPS receiver to the cop at the roadside to prove that you've not messed with the data file.

Another potential glitch is that GPS captures your average speed not your instantaneous speed. If you were accelerating/decelerating fast as described by the OP then the GPS data is likely to grossly under state the peak speed unless the sampling rate was very high. It should be very easy for the prosecutor to discredit the GPS derived average speed in favour of the instantaneous speeds witnessed by the radar or laser.

[flyingcrocodile46]

I understood that you were allowed to exceed the speed limit by up to 20kph while overtaking if it is required to complete the maneuver in a safe manner. Not sure how this applies to overtaking lanes but the principle is much the same. Of course what I understand and what is fact aren't necessarily the same thing

[vindy500]

I understood that you were allowed to exceed the speed limit by up to 20kph while overtaking if it is required to complete the maneuver in a safe manner. Not sure how this applies to overtaking lanes but the principle is much the same. Of course what I understand and what is fact aren't necessarily the same thing

dont think thats the case in nz

[Jantar]

....Just curious if you've tried this? I imagine that for it to be admissible as evidence you'd have to surrender the GPS receiver to the cop at the roadside to prove that you've not messed with the data file.
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That isn't neccessary. You can download the data file and your computer will store the time and date of the download. As long as you don't also delete the active log file, then the origional will still be on the GPS should the police wish to view the origional. Any tracks uploaded to the GPS will not have the date/time stamp, and are imediately obvious as NOT origional.

[caseye]

Mourn the loss(read, ripping away from the sensible officers) of discretion once again.
A long time ago to exceed the speed limit by up to and including 20 K's per h was something that the attending officer could allow.Today I'm not sure.
I'd go with the thought these days, that most of the people in cars doing traffic duty have no discretion as that would get in the way of their quota's.
This makes for a very one sided conversation roadside and does nothing for Police-citizen relations in general.
The higher ups have stuffed their troops relationship with the general public to a dangereous degree over the last few years.I seriously don't know how many of our finest officers put up with the crap from above as well as what comes along on the road and or street.

[mowgli]

That isn't neccessary. You can download the data file and your computer will store the time and date of the download. As long as you don't also delete the active log file, then the origional will still be on the GPS should the police wish to view the origional. Any tracks uploaded to the GPS will not have the date/time stamp, and are imediately obvious as NOT origional.

I hear what you're saying but there are some clever pricks out there who hack iPhones and other hand held devices. I wonder how hard it would be for them to flash a GPS unit with a tweaked log file?

[sinned]

My opinion about overtaking does not concur with the authorities however and I will continue to indicate from well back as I approach the vehicle from behind,accelerate crisply past and indicate back into the left hand lane and return to the legal limit if I have had to exceed it.
This has worked for me for over 40 years of riding and in my opinion gives everyone a clear indication of what you propose to do and allows the driver of the vehicle you are passing a good chance of watching and predicting your manouver from start to finish.

40 years of safe driving practices don't count any more.

How many times have you had a vehicle try to pass you doing 1 KPH more than you for half a click,at some stage you lose him in the mirror and have to start looking around for him,then you find you are closing on the vehicle in front and have to drop back and move out behind him and slow down to get some braking distance back arrggghhhh...

This never happened 5 - 10 years ago. Now 95% of drivers keep below the limit even if it means taking a k passing lane to complete a passing maneuver and pissing others off.

Speed detectors: They won't save you from a Laser.

[mowgli]

Speed detectors: They won't save you from a Laser.

Actually the good ones do these days. Works on the same principle as radar though. You're trying to detect scatter as the copper interrogates other vehicles. If you're the only vehicle on the road then your chances of early detection go downhill fast. Then it's up to Mr Mk1 Eyeball.

[paddy]

I understood that you were allowed to exceed the speed limit by up to 20kph while overtaking if it is required to complete the maneuver in a safe manner. Not sure how this applies to overtaking lanes but the principle is much the same. Of course what I understand and what is fact aren't necessarily the same thing

Noooo..... :-) The limit is the limit. It is suggested that officers apply discretion if you are less than 10 KM/H over the limit but even then I believe that is just current operating policy rather than something that the legislation or common law provides for.

[Rincewind]

Hello Peeps

Just got my second ping for speeding in six months,both for hard acceleration past a car on an uphill short passing lane,actual terminal speed was approx 120 but the laser said 127 so 200 bucks please and lots of points.
My latest one is outrageously over at 136,my actual terminal speed was 125,so this time 400 bucks and 50 points......for speeding for approximatley 100Mtrs ouch....

My opinion about overtaking does not concur with the authorities however and I will continue to indicate from well back as I approach the vehicle from behind,accelerate crisply past and indicate back into the left hand lane and return to the legal limit if I have had to exceed it.
This has worked for me for over 40 years of riding and in my opinion gives everyone a clear indication of what you propose to do and allows the driver of the vehicle you are passing a good chance of watching and predicting your manouver from start to finish.
How many times have you had a vehicle try to pass you doing 1 KPH more than you for half a click,at some stage you lose him in the mirror and have to start looking around for him,then you find you are closing on the vehicle in front and have to drop back and move out behind him and slow down to get some braking distance back arrggghhhh...

Anyway what I want is some good Radar advice,because I'm going to have to bite the bullet now and buy a critter.One more strike and I am out,I'm not going to change my driving style just because some tart has a laser gun and plays hide and seek to catch someone out for doing 25 KPH over the limit for a hundred metres or so(Has anyone else noticed the increase in female Pokie machine drivers operating on SHY 1) ohh sorry its all about road safety isn't it,nothing to do with revinue gathering..no.no I hear you all say !!

Well come on lets have the low down,because I know youve all got one,please dont preach to me about the impending illegality of owning or using one,I'll cross that bridge when the time comes,I drive and ride approx 60,000 Ks a year and up untill I moved to NZ four years ago I had never had a ticket, this year I get two so the Law of averages says that unless I alter my 40 year old driving style I'm going to get busted again real soon.
Before someone gets on their high horse about me being a compulsive speeder and a danger to the Human Race,I comply with the speed limit in the normal way for the majority of the time,I may sometimes keep up with the traffic flow on a single lane carridgeway if they are doing a few K over (I can't now though...ping)
And I have never been involved in an accident....

Kind Regards

Rincewind Tech Rep to the unseen university

Thank's Guys,looks like we are all on the same page...which leads me to where should I go for the best deal on either of the two winning devices...