Sidecar racing in New Zealand

**Kickaha** · 5th October 2009, 16:32

Originally Posted by rat

Thanks Bob,

Yes I do admitt My post could have been done better, And quite right Kick reducing to name calling will only bring me down to your level ( reading the stuff between you Dave, Bob, Scrivy).

All in jest even the stuff I say to the poofta Scrivy

and nothing I wouldn't say or more likely haven't to them in real life

Originally Posted by rat

I do apologise for any offense caused to Members of MNZ in my moment of ranting.
I still stand by my point on the issue, Which is Three rounds of the Nationals for Sidecars down South, and how this could affect race numbers in the future.

Good onya for the apology, it wasn't so much what you said that annoyed me but the way you said it

My personal view is that the Sidecar guys do themselves no favours by only doing part of a championship, everyone knows year to year when they are on and has plenty of time to save and organise for it and as I have shown the time you need to take off work is a lot less than you might think

I do believe the whole MNZ format of when the races are held and the number of rounds needs looking at though

Not that anyone asked me (not being a NZSRA member and all) but my view on the number of rounds would be that we should be doing all 5 rounds after all the NZ Championship is run over 5 rounds, however if I was voting on it I would be going for 4, not for any reason of numbers on the grid or the future of the sport because I think both are a cop out, but quite simply because to me it is more affordable

**rat** · 5th October 2009, 17:10

Originally Posted by Kickaha

All in jest even the stuff I say to the poofta Scrivy

and nothing I wouldn't say or more likely haven't to them in real life

Good onya for the apology, it wasn't so much what you said that annoyed me but the way you said it

My personal view is that the Sidecar guys do themselves no favours by only doing part of a championship, everyone knows year to year when they are on and has plenty of time to save and organise for it and as I have shown the time you need to take off work is a lot less than you might think

I do believe the whole MNZ format of when the races are held and the number of rounds needs looking at though

Not that anyone asked me (not being a NZSRA member and all) but my view on the number of rounds would be that we should be doing all 5 rounds after all the NZ Championship is run over 5 rounds, however if I was voting on it I would be going for 4, not for any reason of numbers on the grid or the future of the sport because I think both are a cop out, but quite simply because to me it is more affordable

Cheers Kick,

Yep I agree the 5 rounds issue would be doable in a totally different formatt, Yes If you could afford to Fly you could work between rounds and not have so much time off.
But for me being in the Job I'm in, I can't very well take time off here and there to suit racing, My Leave gets booked well in advance, sometimes earlier than the confirmed race dates are out from MNZ,
(Bloody working for Government Depts).
And your point about being affordable, is why the Majority of teams go sidecar racing, because between two of you it is more affordable.

**scrivy** · 6th October 2009, 06:49

The real issue for me is the fact that MNZ have not listened to us (the NZSRA), as we are an affilliated club within MNZ. I've lost track of the times NZSRA have told MNZ that we can only do 2 rounds, to have them turn around and throw it in our face again.

**rat** · 6th October 2009, 11:24

Originally Posted by scrivy

The real issue for me is the fact that MNZ have not listened to us (the NZSRA), as we are an affilliated club within MNZ. I've lost track of the times NZSRA have told MNZ that we can only do 2 rounds, to have them turn around and throw it in our face again.

Yep, As an association we have voted and presented this vote to MNZ at their AGM on what our club wants. Shouldn't we as a club have the say on what rules apply to our class of racing, MNZ is only the body to govern what we decide.

**dangerous dan** · 6th October 2009, 17:00

Originally Posted by rat

Yep, As an association we have voted and presented this vote to MNZ at their AGM on what our club wants. Shouldn't we as a club have the say on what rules apply to our class of racing, MNZ is only the body to govern what we decide.

Are you guys for real? two rounds does not a championship make, i dont do politics or petulance and there seems to be a fair bit here on this thread, if your stamina can only cope with two championship rounds perhaps minis might be the class you should enter,may be reading it wrong hoping to get into the sport with a new rig but this shite excuse language blows me away .
doesnt anyone plan and budget for the champs which should be the premier racing all is there patch protection going on here for a private promotor to get big feilds at the expense of letting as many people up and down country see the best of sidecar racing. i thought we were all grown ups who could play on the big race track obviously to many private agendas here boys best you try going overseas and mix it with real racers,
this is mike drury on a wet afternoon with nothing better to do than shake my head. me once rig arrives will e turning up where ever i can race but then im committed , to being competitive , not in it for personal gain

**Kickaha** · 6th October 2009, 17:24

Originally Posted by dangerous dan

Are you guys for real? two rounds does not a championship make,

We are talking about a four round championship with Two North Island rounds and TWO South Island rounds instead of three South Island rounds

What kind of outfit do you have coming?

**sidecar bob** · 6th October 2009, 18:33

Originally Posted by dangerous dan

Are you guys for real? two rounds does not a championship make, i dont do politics or petulance and there seems to be a fair bit here on this thread, if your stamina can only cope with two championship rounds perhaps minis might be the class you should enter,may be reading it wrong hoping to get into the sport with a new rig but this shite excuse language blows me away .
doesnt anyone plan and budget for the champs which should be the premier racing all is there patch protection going on here for a private promotor to get big feilds at the expense of letting as many people up and down country see the best of sidecar racing. i thought we were all grown ups who could play on the big race track obviously to many private agendas here boys best you try going overseas and mix it with real racers,
this is mike drury on a wet afternoon with nothing better to do than shake my head. me once rig arrives will e turning up where ever i can race but then im committed , to being competitive , not in it for personal gain

Good onya, yup you did get it wrong, theres four rounds, not sure who's personally gaining. The comma key is next to the "M".

**scrivy** · 6th October 2009, 18:59

Originally Posted by dangerous dan

Are you guys for real? two rounds does not a championship make, i dont do politics or petulance and there seems to be a fair bit here on this thread, if your stamina can only cope with two championship rounds perhaps minis might be the class you should enter,may be reading it wrong hoping to get into the sport with a new rig but this shite excuse language blows me away .
Hi Mike. As per the posts after yours, there are a minimum of 4 rounds for the Nats. No one is complaining about stamina - all the top teams last right up till the end of each race - even setting lap records on the final laps - so your on the wrong track there.

doesnt anyone plan and budget for the champs which should be the premier racing all is there patch protection going on here for a private promotor to get big feilds at the expense of letting as many people up and down country see the best of sidecar racing. i thought we were all grown ups who could play on the big race track obviously to many private agendas here boys best you try going overseas and mix it with real racers,
this is mike drury on a wet afternoon with nothing better to do than shake my head. me once rig arrives will e turning up where ever i can race but then im committed , to being competitive , not in it for personal gain

I don't really know who you're implying has hidden agendas, or who needs to go overseas to race against so called real racers. What exactly is a real racer?
What you seem to be unaware of Mike, is the fact that some people race to win, some to scare themselves, some to pose, some to have fun, and some for stress relief from work. Not everyone has the same reason for racing, so you can't tar them all with the same brush. Quite frankly, some just don't give a shit about the Nats or being competitive at all. Hence why this thread has surfaced. The majority of sidecar racers in NZ for the last 16 years has not wanted to do more than 2 rounds down South. Period! That is why some people are upset with MNZ's decision to railroad teams into doing 3 rounds down South. Nothing more than that really.

Scrivy

P.s. Whats the rig you're getting?

**scrivy** · 6th October 2009, 20:20

Originally Posted by scrivy

What you seem to be unaware of Mike, is the fact that some people race to win, some to scare themselves, some to pose, some to have fun, and some for stress relief from work. Not everyone has the same reason for racing, so you can't tar them all with the same brush. Quite frankly, some just don't give a shit about the Nats or being competitive at all.

Hi Mike, here's an idea of why some people race.....
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...ad.php?t=66383

**rat** · 7th October 2009, 06:59

Originally Posted by dangerous dan

Are you guys for real? two rounds does not a championship make, i dont do politics or petulance and there seems to be a fair bit here on this thread, if your stamina can only cope with two championship rounds perhaps minis might be the class you should enter,may be reading it wrong hoping to get into the sport with a new rig but this shite excuse language blows me away .
doesnt anyone plan and budget for the champs which should be the premier racing all is there patch protection going on here for a private promotor to get big feilds at the expense of letting as many people up and down country see the best of sidecar racing. i thought we were all grown ups who could play on the big race track obviously to many private agendas here boys best you try going overseas and mix it with real racers,
this is mike drury on a wet afternoon with nothing better to do than shake my head. me once rig arrives will e turning up where ever i can race but then im committed , to being competitive , not in it for personal gain

WTF???
As has been said, talking about rounds of the Nationals (Not the whole thing).
Have you seen "Real Racers" ???
Well I have seen the Real Racers and their governing body is Superside, which is just for the Sidecar world champs, and does things for the best of the sport over there.
They don't seem to have the same problems, might have something to do with two wheelers not having any say in what they do, Funny that.

Interested in this new bike you say you have turning up.
Will you have it for the Have A Go Day in Taupo on the 1st Nov.
Are you a member of the association, Do you know about our AGM on the night before at the old club rooms, at the old Taupo track?

PM me your contact details if you need further info about this.

Rat

**racer40** · 7th October 2009, 12:18

just to let you know, the Lawrance Bros team will not be doing the nationals this season, we have had a pretty bad year financially with work as i'm sure others have, & simply cant afford it this year, but even if we could have gone would have supported the NZSRAs decision to only do 2 S.I rounds as i believe in the democratic process. we ptobably wont even bother with the manfeild round either but will give the TT a go at hampton downs. will also do Tri series & streets as that is where the media, crowds are anyway.

**sidecar bob** · 7th October 2009, 14:37

Originally Posted by racer40

as that is where the media, crowds are anyway.

Well arent you the attention seeker then!!!

**Kickaha** · 7th October 2009, 17:34

Originally Posted by rat

WTF???
They don't seem to have the same problems, might have something to do with two wheelers not having any say in what they do, Funny that.

Superside is reliant on the "Two Wheelers" to have them at their rounds so I suspect they might have more say than you might think

Superside isn't a stand alone championship with Sidecars only

**rat** · 7th October 2009, 19:51

Originally Posted by Kickaha

Superside is reliant on the "Two Wheelers" to have them at their rounds so I suspect they might have more say than you might think

Superside isn't a stand alone championship with Sidecars only

Sorry Kick but you information is a bit off the mark on this one.
Superside compete at Stand alone meetings, DTM car meetings, Truck meetings and the two Moto GP meetings as an invitational class.
The Superside FIM World Championship is governed by Superside alone, but is under the umbrella of FIM (as they have to be), and is for the sidecar world champs, not Moto GP or any other class of two wheeler racing.

I was fortunate enough when Steve and I went to the world champs at the two Moto GP meetings in 07, to meet a couple of Organisers and one of the managers of Superside, Steve and I both got to discuss how they run things and what the eligabillity of running a team in the championship was.

Cheers
Rat