Global warming?

[Supermac Jr]

"global warming is

Important point: global warming was the issue around the 1980 -early 1990s. It's long since moved on to CChange. big difference between them.

Its the 'money system' (capitalism) that is trying to put a price on the cause of climate change and use the charge as an incentive to reduce pollution. [in economic terms to internalise the externality].

I think you just didn't like your science teacher and hence the sceptisims. Or maybe you did like her?

[Supermac Jr]

Sorry, but the "scientic community" did not agree on any such thing. One of the key elements of scientic method is that if there is concensus then it isn't science. The so called "agreement" was the IPCC declaration which had 2500 contributors. Very few of these contributers were scientists and many of those that were scientists were government appointed with a pre-determined agenda. Few contributors were able to see the entire report and many changes to scientific statements were made.

Umm you talking about the science or the politcal process around stuff like Emissions Trading Schemes?
The IPCC declaration was back in 2000 (Amsterdam) and they're up to the 4th Assessment Report (online)

[oldrider]

Please tell me you're joking... It's a blatantly false, anti-semetic text written with the sole purpose of providing such similar anti-semites with 'reason' for their hatred and distrust.

You may say it's false, I don't profess to know, I read it and decided that if it is true, I can't do anything about it anyway!

Then I looked at it again and thought, you could change the text and target any specific group on earth!

Such people could then just use it to base an argument on it and you could create any situation you want from it.

Adolph Hitler and his Nazi party for instance?

Look how many people read the bible and the Koran ETC and then claim it is all happening!

You can make anything fit the facts as life goes by, prophesy and fulfilment is the oldest game in town!

I don't profess to know what is true or false, I only know what life experience has shown me what is most likely the truth!

That then becomes my perception and any man's perception becomes his reality!

I think the book has been floating around since before the Bolshevik revolution if my memory serves me correctly!

It's not something that I dwell on but you were the one who raised the subject, in your earlier post, wondered why you did that actually!

[SPORK]

I brought it up as an example of backwards thinking, baseless assumptions and a lack of common sense I associate with conspiracy theory videos and those that profess to know the Truth (the polar opposite to what subject experts publish).

Ok I'm way too tired - this is a really poorly written post. Peace.

[Jantar]

Umm you talking about the science or the politcal process around stuff like Emissions Trading Schemes?
The IPCC declaration was back in 2000 (Amsterdam) and they're up to the 4th Assessment Report (online)

I am talking about the science. That branch of research that was hijacked by the IPCC to meet a pre determined agenda.

Yes, I do know about the 4th AR. Please read it your self and note the absence of the Mann hockey stick for example. That was shown to be not just bad science, but deliberate misuse of data etc.

[oldrider]

I brought it up as an example of backwards thinking, baseless assumptions and a lack of common sense I associate with conspiracy theory videos and those that profess to know the Truth (the polar opposite to what subject experts publish).

Ok I'm way too tired - this is a really poorly written post. Peace.

Just went back and re-read your original post, yeah, got it, it fits.

[Indiana_Jones]

Climate is changing but dont blame us, blame your enviromental natural patterns

Bro, didn't you know man caused the last ice age?

-Indy

[Quasievil]

Bro, didn't you know man caused the last ice age?

-Indy

I did...........shit

I have learned that you cant argue with the new age religion of "green" these man haters will have you in a cave in a week given the chance.

[davereid]

Its really simple.

We have to reduce carbon emissions by 40 % to save the world.

Most carbon emissions in NZ come from the production of food, electricity and transport.

So we need to increase the price of food, electricity and transport, using carbon taxes, carbon trading etc until the poorest 40% cant afford them.

Problem solved, world saved.

Except the poorest 40%.

[Supermac Jr]

note the absence of the Mann hockey stick for example. That was shown to be not just bad science, but deliberate misuse of data etc.

Agree and noted. Mann is like bad-ass biker --> gives everybody a bad name.

AR4 does make for interesting reading with the different systems being impacted and the feedback and linkages between them.

So you're saying that IPCC et al have been hijacked to protect economic interest (e.g. arguments such as foodmiles)?

[Jantar]

...So you're saying that IPCC et al have been hijacked to protect economic interest (e.g. arguments such as foodmiles)?

I am saying that the process has been hijacked. I have not given a reason for this as that would only be speculation.

I am always happy to discuss the science, but when it comes to AGW philosophy I shall defer to those who deal with the psychology of the proponents.

[Supermac Jr]

fair enough

not trying to convert you, wait till I get my Bible...

...threads that keep coming up every few months...

[scumdog]

Glodal warming is really hitting home here where it's a sweltering 2.7 degrees at Chez Scumdog back door right now..

[oldrider]

Glodal warming is really hitting home here where it's a sweltering 2.7 degrees at Chez Scumdog back door right now..

That must be why you are such a cold hearted miserable hard to get along with old cunt Scumdog! (I jest)

[Street Gerbil]

I wonder, why did they re-brand "global warming" into "climate change". To every man with more than one brain cell it must be pretty obvious that global warming sucks. Just think about it - people have caused global warming once and now all wooly mammoths are gone...