Well bikers are screwed - ACC levy

**Wingnut** · 14th October 2009, 15:29

Originally Posted by The Stranger

I have a 660 cc bike with 47hp as a commuter. That's going, may as well get a 600 with 100hp now.

The price of bikes over 600cc is set to plummet to the depths of hell now!!!

Personally - I am just glad I sold my GSXR 1000 earlier this year.

I wonder if track days are going to get more popular now. Dont need a rego there.

All the same - it is truely tragic for motorcycling in New Zealand indeed.

**Naki Rat** · 14th October 2009, 15:30

Has anybody noticed that bike rego has been rising rapidly before this coming proposal?

My cost at June 2008 was $224.28 for 12 months' worth.
June 2009 it was $267.21
According to Land Transport >61cc M/C rego is currently $382.67 (which I'm guessing $300+ is ACC levy).

2.5 - 3 times increase in ACC all in one go is bloody criminal though. It's time the pushbikes, contact sports and drunks started paying their share

**NighthawkNZ:Me** · 14th October 2009, 15:31

Originally Posted by [B

MSTRS[/B]]I might also be tempting the devil, but I aint had a vehicular accident for over 35 years. Where's my NCB??

I have never made an ACC claim let alone a accident in 23 years...

maybe experience as well as no claims needs to come into it for their calculations...

**Squiggles** · 14th October 2009, 15:36

Originally Posted by James Deuce

No they're not. 50% are people falling off on corners. By themselves.

Cut the shit and quote a source

**Beeza** · 14th October 2009, 15:37

You can only ever ride one bike at a time, so why must those of us who own more than one road-bike pay ACC on each bike? Surely it should be charged to the rider and levied only once at the charge for the largest-capacity bike registered to you?

**Wingnut** · 14th October 2009, 15:37

Originally Posted by NighthawkNZ

I have never made an ACC claim let alone a accident in 23 years...

maybe experience as well as no claims needs to come into it for their calculations...

Valid point. Weren't they talking about some sort of no claims bonus system? Not too sure............

**Morcs** · 14th October 2009, 15:37

Or at least do the rego per person - that means regardless of vehicle, how many you own etc..
and that covers cyclists, rugby players etc...

**grusomhat** · 14th October 2009, 15:38

Bugger

**Pixie** · 14th October 2009, 15:38

Originally Posted by Ixion

So, what are y'all going to do about it.

Bleat on here, and spread 'em and take it?

Of course we will.What do you think we are? Frenchmen?

**paddy** · 14th October 2009, 15:39

Originally Posted by Ixion

BRONZ (Auckland) will discuss an action plan next Wednesday evening . 7:30 pm. Danish House 6, Rockridge Rd Penrose.

Is this an open meeting to all or a BRONZ closed committee meeting.

Originally Posted by mynameis

carver and sidewinder can organise Hamilton one as long as they don't pull wheelies on protest rides.

I'm be more worried that the protest ride my taking in some high altitude riding over a certain bridge...

Originally Posted by NighthawkNZ

When was the last BRONZ Protest ride... 1993

BRONZ has lost its will to do anything...

I have always wondered about the effectiveness of BRONZ. In the past year that I have been riding, I haven't really heard anything in the main-stream media. The only output I see is the column in KiwiRider Magazine which reads just like the moans that you see in this forum. Yet during the same period, the government quietly delayed most of the motorcycle 2010 strategy elements (such as introducing a LAMs scheme and removing the 70 KM/H learner restriction) to 2020. This occurred with no "official" response from any biker advocacy groups (BRONZ).

Originally Posted by Maha

Would the better idea be to have support from other road users rather than piss them no end at Labour weekend?
A protest is a great idea, but a well organised and coordinated protest with structure and the right delivery would have a better impact.

I agree, there needs to be some coordination, a central point of control, a singular voice, and a singular message.

Originally Posted by kave

I will be interested to hear what BRONZ suggests. I have never really heard what they actually do, this is a prime opportunity for them to either show that they are a useful and relevant organisation, either that or show that they are completely neutered in which case there is an opening for a rival group.

If BRONZ fails to suggest meaningful action and guide the protests in a situation like this where there is a huge groundswell of disatisfaction with how motorcyclists are being treated by the government, then they are truly a complete failure.

I agree. We need an organisation like BRONZ to step up and provide a unified voice. An organisation that knows HOW to lobby a government and knows how to "play" politics. I know it's a lot about money, but lobby groups in the United States are extremely effective.

Originally Posted by ready4whatever

Someone fly a plane into the bee hive. or park a truck outside of it full of explosives. I saw this thing off CI how this dude sent pipe bombs through the mail to government leaders which blew their face off pretty much, he got caught 20 years later only because his brother dobbed him in. I'm pissed

Probably because he didn't feel the need to post it online. :-)

**Brian d marge** · 14th October 2009, 15:39

Oh by the way they are introducing a new court system designed to clear the backlog of minor offenses , such as not paying ACC

The judge isn't a legalized book learned judge ( of the dread variety )

but a normal person with a bit of community history

they can do any case that has a potential of up to 3 months in prison after that they must refer it tot a bondage loving geriatric

Soooo

your non paying protest WILL be seen earlier and the fines Will get collected sooner and a criminal record Will stop one or too later activities ,,,( not that I wanted to visit America anyway )

Go 12 % of the Population !!!!

Stephen

Ruuuth where are you Ruth,,,,,,,

**HenryDorsetCase** · 14th October 2009, 15:40

Originally Posted by vifferman

I must be broken - I don't feel anything much about it at all. Perhaps a tad annoyed. Not really enough emotion to goad me into action.

Maybe (perhaps) [however] {although} we're looking at it all wrong? We're costing us HEAPS for bike crash injuries, and someone has to pay for it. Aren't WE someone? And aren't WE the someones involved? Shouldn't we pay for ourselves?

I have had the same thought process myself its fair to say, but I have come to the view that this proposed increase is iniquitous, and I do intend to exercise my demoratic rights in relation to it.

My thought process is this:

The ACC system was introduced in 1974 to prevent the lottery that was personal injury litigation. For example I am knocked off my motorbike by my business partner: his fault, I get heaps of compensation from him or his insurers because of the fact he has pots of money. But compare the result with I am knocked off my bike by our office junior. She has no money, no insurance, I get nothing, even though I have the same legal rights against both parties.

ACC said, "Hey, the social contract is this: You give up the right to sue, and we (the nanny state to use a phrase popular a year ago) will look after you, on a no fault basis. Everyone pays a bit, and we all get looked after. Its marvellous".

And so it was.

But then in the '80's there were some pretty hardheaded attempts from people to get rid of this system. "Its anachronistic, it unfairly makes people pay who've never had a claim, I do only X but you do Y and so you should pay more."

And thats the real problem. What we now have is the expression of that mindset: One of the smallest groups of individuals by number, who by the nature of their activity, and the fact that pretty much any claim they make will be major are being targeted to pay "their "fair" share".

It is almost a complete abrogation from that principle that we all pay a bit and we all get looked after to one of "user pays".

And that, in my view, is why its so very wrong.

**Morcs** · 14th October 2009, 15:40

The problem with protesting on bikes is that it isnt that effective.

Every protest ride ive been on ive been disappointed that we get funnelled into two lanes, still allowing traffic to pass on one lane, slows things up a bit, but nothing like the impact the truckies had.
ah if only all motorcyclists had a truck knocking around on the back lawn *sigh*

**p.dath** · 14th October 2009, 15:40

ACC is going up for bikes. So what?

You can't tell me this was a surprise. ACC lost another $4.8b. We've just been in a recession. ACC's investments are down. Lots of people are out of work so the earner levies are down. Motorcycles are over re-presented in accident statistics.
The Government has been talking about it for a while. It's not a new problem. You really have to call it the worst keep secret.

And don't think this will be the last increase. Other ACC levies will be going up as well. Things will get worse until ACC manages to balance its books.

It's like mob mentality around here. Everyone is inciting everyone else. Soon we'll have a linching mob - only ACC is a public organisation, so there is no one to linch but ourselves for running up such a big debt.

It's like chicken little syndrome. The sky is falling! The sky is falling!

So I say harden up.
Changes are needed - you, me, ACC and the Government. We aren't going to like them. We spent money we didn't have. It doesn't matter how or why - it's too late now. Now we have to pay it back.