Well bikers are screwed - ACC levy

[waspnz]

This is wrong wrong wrong. I've emailed both ACC and N. Smith....happy to turn up to a protest somewhere etc etc.......

[BMWST?]

A no-fault Scheme means that everyone receives cover as specified in the Injury Prevention, Rehabilitation, and Compensation Act 2001, regardless of who or what 'caused' an injury.
Levies are set having consideration to the level of risk that a particular group bears (as determined by injury involvement). In the case of work injuries, the 'group' an employer is in depends on the industry; while on the road, the 'group' a motorist is in depends on the type of vehicle and its use.
It is the cost of claims in the 'group' which is the basis of the levy for the group, not who is at fault or causes the accident.

this argument is flawed.Motorcylists are the only "group" who can be injured through no fault of their own by actions of ANOTHER group.We can and should be responsible for the costs asscociated with accidents "within" our group.Injuries caused BY ANOTHER GROUP can and should be carried BY THAT GROUP

[cs363]

Thank you sir.

We should have a central place to post suggested dates for each region. The evenings are getting longer, the weather is (supposed to be) getting more like summer; so would we want to do this now while the spotlight of the media can be exploited? I really think it should happen before Christmas.

(Or perhaps on the last late shopping night before Christmas, that'd create havoc.)

It really needs to happen before November 10th to have any real effect as that's when the submissions close (unless they would be likely to change anything after that? Unlikely I think..)
Regional rides are a good idea for those that can't make Wellington, though a ride on Parliament would certainly get the media machine working, perhaps a petition organised in conjunction with each regional ride and then all copies presented to the Minister/PM at the culmination of a ride to Parliament, with BRONZ coordinating the whole thing?

[JATZ]

Where? When?

Keep me posted... p.m;s prolly best
I'd like to give that pompous pratt Nick Smith a piece of my mind, and a sz 12 to the face, but that wouldn't help aye

[ukusa]

Our MP is none other than Nick Smith, I'd love to gridlock his patch for a few hours on a Friday night.

Pick a date, I'll be there.

I'd like to gridlock his face!

[GOONR]

somehow this needs to be coordinated such that it creates maximum impact - we need to come up with a consolidated submission to the ACC CHairman and the minister

Totally agree, consolidated submission and well organised protest rides. I would guess that it needs to be done soon though, the media is watching right now!

[steve_t]

another point! why don't they charge the owners of bigger cars more?

Soon it'll be owners of cars that don't have 5 star ANCAP safety ratings paying more

[saffa]

I'm not normally one to express my views on blogs, but I'll be fuck if I'm going keep quiet about this insane increase in ACC levies, it's is madness! I'm just fishing for ideas here but I think we should organise a massive ride / get together and somehow get the government’s attention and try and stop them from going ahead with this increase.

I am normally the first to organise people to go on fund raisers for cancer, Special children in need, Westpac helicopter etc, but I think all the charity shown by bikers will come to a screeching halt if we have to pay $700 per year on this crap

They say that other people on the road is substituting us bikers with about $70, fair enough, increase our levies by $70 or even $100 not bloody $500!!!!!

I think we should do something, I’m open for ideas which doesn’t involve breaking the law but that will a huge impact and get the government’s attention, maybe we should do what the truck drivers did and hold up traffic on the motorway or the main cities or something!!!!!!!!

If we sit back and do nothing they will do this to us again and again and again!!!

[Bangbug]

A no-fault Scheme means that everyone receives cover as specified in the Injury Prevention, Rehabilitation, and Compensation Act 2001, regardless of who or what 'caused' an injury.
Levies are set having consideration to the level of risk that a particular group bears (as determined by injury involvement). In the case of work injuries, the 'group' an employer is in depends on the industry; while on the road, the 'group' a motorist is in depends on the type of vehicle and its use.
It is the cost of claims in the 'group' which is the basis of the levy for the group, not who is at fault or causes the accident.

this argument is flawed.Motorcylists are the only "group" who can be injured through no fault of their own by actions of ANOTHER group.We can and should be responsible for the costs asscociated with accidents "within" our group.Injuries caused BY ANOTHER GROUP can and should be carried BY THAT GROUP

It's flawed more fundamentally than that.
You can't have more risk by being in a "group".
It's not your fault for being in a "group". (if it IS your fault then it's not a no-fault scheme is it)
No fault.
No group.
If only logic ruled the world. Then ACC would implode in a "poof" of logical implosion.

[-BW-]

Hi Im new. Just jumping on the bandwagon of outrage like everyone else. I have been sending emails, to acc, as well as the prime minister. These are my main points ;

1. You cannot ride more than one motorcycle at a time. WHY do I have to pay my ACC Levy more than once when I own more than one bike? Why is the ACC levy not attached to the person via licensing or insurance?

2. Classifying Fees by engine capacity is completely ridiculous! Motorcyclists travel to the same speed limits! Riders of smaller capacity bikes are not regarded more protection than larger bikes and will suffer the same injuries as any other! Engine size HAS NO RELEVANCE WHATSOEVER on a riders ability to ride safely, the likelhood/frequency of accidents or the injuries that result! This is also completely inconsistent with drivers paying the same fees regardless of the type of vehicle they drive.

3. Lastly, I will not be paying these fees until it is changed. I will defend my actions in court if necessary. This is unjust and unfair.

yeah I know Im preaching to the preachers.. but aren't we all?

[Danae]

What about charity rides like the Westpac ride and the pink ribbon ride? With an ACC levy like that the number of riders showing up to these things is bound to decrease...

[ready4whatever]

another point! why don't they charge the owners of bigger cars more?

Yeah i'll say man. I see guys in 5 litre holdens doing a whole lot more damage to the road + way more fuel used. i know its not about road wearing its about accidents but i thought bigger cc's on a car would mean more accidents, gotta remember about the turbo i guess. (makes a 2litre car fuckin fast) .so lets turbo our bikes and get around this

[Mort]

This is so unfair. I own two bikes and no way does it double my risk of accident. jesus - $1500 per year !!!

Bastards.... fucking bastards

[Biggles41]

How to make a submission

To make a submission, you need to write to us advising us what you think. As well as commenting on the proposed levy changes for the year, you can comment on all aspects of the ACC Scheme.

Your submission must include:

* Your name

* Your address

* Your contact phone number(s)

No point sitting around complaining, time to drag bum off couch and do something. Heres what I've written feel free to add borrow or whatever, I have not submitted this yet, group comments are welcome - good luck everyone..

RE: ACC Levy’s for motorcyclists
To whom it may concern.
I was astounded this evening to learn via the media that the proposed ACC Levy’s for motorcyclist are to be raised to such a high level, a level that has the motorcycle community uttering such things as, extortion, robbery, as well as a lot of expletives that would be counter - productive to this submission.

The general feeling is that motorcyclist’s are being unfairly singled out and there are arguments about car drivers causing most motorcycle accidents by not seeing the oncoming motorcyclists and so on and so forth. You would have heard these arguments before so I’m not going to digress down that line of thought.

Different tariffs based on a motorcycles engine size also raises many arguments. I live in Dunedin a student city and regularly observe students on small scooters weaving in and out of traffic wearing, jandals, shorts and T-shirts.

I’m a motorcyclists that rides a 1000cc 100 horse power motorcycle, but there are 600cc motorcycles that have more horse power than my 1000cc 100 horse power machine.

I spend money on the machine to ensure it is maintained to a high standard of safety, I wear a quality helmet, gloves, boots jacket and trousers with Kevlar linings, and even though the government just recently passed a law so that all motorcyclists ride with the headlight on during day, myself and many other motorcyclists have actually been doing just that for years past.

I have a family a mortgage and a cat, and I work damn hard for my money, and I am quite frankly not in the position to pay this amount of money and I will not.

The only options that are open to myself and many others is to either.
• Register for 12 months and be poorer.
• Register for 3 months of the year and risk a fine for the other 9 months.
• Register for 6 months of the year and risk a fine for the other 6 months.
• Not Register at all and risk a fine for 12 months.

Riding in a group will raise the risk of an accident to a degree, but it also lowers the risk of police fines.


You can send your submission:

By post:
Levy Consultation
ACC
PO Box 242
Wellington 6140

By fax:
04 918 4395

By email:
consultation@acc.co.nz

The deadline for submissions is 5.00 pm, 10 November 2009

[Fluffy Cat]

I think the right honourable Nick Smith has a come meet the man caravan at the Saturday market in Nelson sometimes. If I am right. Could be a good place to start. Angry but polite would be the way to go. Could form a queue.