Well bikers are screwed - ACC levy

[craisin]

not to mention false rape claims

[southernmike]

Any chance of getting carbon credit for my bike which can be applied against my ACC bill?

[cs363]

Probably should cancel plans to buy the new Vyrus C3 then....top model weighs around 154 kilos and puts out 211bhp....
According to the maker 'Everybody will be able to ride it without killing themselves'
Try telling that to ACC!


http://www.fasterandfaster.net/2009/...test-most.html

[Bangbug]

ACC figures show 54,400 motorcycles over 600cc, double the number for those 126-600cc. More and more riders returning to motorcycling (as distinct from the scooter brigade) are males over 35, who ride predominantly on weekends, carry passengers and luggage and generally use the bikes for pleasure. Typically this group has more disposable income and will purchase larger machines. Weekend rides usually involve rural roads and higher speeds. As many writers point out, getting into trouble on a bike for going too fast is just as easy on a 500cc machine (arguably the smaller bikes have budget brakes, tyres and suspension) , and we all know how the typical 1500cc cruiser will fare lined up against a GSXR600.
The under 125cc group have lower risk, simply because those machines are typically used in a lower speed urban environment – primarily for transport and not so much for pleasure. Whilst the likelihood of a crash is higher, injury severity is generally lower.
The point I am making is that the crashes are not necessarily because of the capacity of the machine, but simply because there are a hell of a lot more older riders out there on bigger machines , thus more exposed to risk. If we all moved tomorrow to 599cc bikes, my view is that the risk profile will be the same. Age, errors, other vehicles and exposure to risk are not cc dependent.
Linking engine capacity to the argument is specious – in fact it is really a differential rate that correlates just as well with age and disposable income (again, generally a factor of age). The same linkages could be applied to bike prices – the more expensive bikes would correlate to a greater claim rate. Again, ccs are not causative. It could be argued that this is discrimination on the basis of age – a breach of Section 21(1)(i) of the Human Rights Act 1993.
If they are going to screw us, they should apply it evenly across the group, not single out the older riders by virtue of machine choice.
Any lawyers out there have a view on this?

54000 x 750 = $40500000
108000 x 400 (what was it?) = $43200000
= $8370000
So they're going to Rape 80 million out of us to cover a 40 mill 'shortfall'.
So... how DO you get one of those 100k + ACC "jobs"...
I mean if you've gotta suck a dick for a job, might as well be a little government one.

[TOTO]

LEtter sent - we should swamp them

I've just sent another one too.


What would be an effective form of protest ? Any ideas ?

[Ixion]

I think you will find it wont make a difference. Most of the people that attend those rides do so because they care and are good people. The same people will go, we will just be poorer ... and very anti national!

but i get what your saying.

Might actually see numbers go up. Those rides are a time when people can safely bring out unregistered and unwofed bikes,

[DarkLord]

Hold on a second.

Their claim for this is that they have paid out so much, yet received so little levy back.

By asking for so much levy in return, the only thing they are doing is encouraging more people not to pay, including the ones who used to have no problem paying it.

If they really wanted a way around this, why not impose heavier penalties on cars or bikes caught without current registrations?

[PirateJafa]

For people in Auckland who can't afford to get down to Wellington etc, they should camp out the local MPs offices and the ACC buildings.

-Indy

Camp out the local MPs homes tbh. That'd get a reaction.

[Ixion]

ACC figures show 54,400 motorcycles over 600cc, double the number for those 126-600cc. ..

Do you have a source for those numbers ?

[Mort]

Email sent :

Ref: Proposed ACC levy change on larger motorcycles.

I wish to register my alarm and protest against the proposals to raise ACC levies for larger motorcycles to $745 per year. I find this to be an outrageously large increase which makes my chosen form of transport almost unaffordable.

I wish to make the following further points :

Many people ride motorcycles because they are on low incomes and find them cheaper to run and park in cities. You are unfairly imposing a tax on those who can afford it least.
The increase is inequitable on those who may own more than one motorcycle. I happen to own two, but that in no way increases my risk of accident or a claim on ACC. I also own a car and ride many fewer kms on a bike than a do a car. The increase is grossly unfair to people like me.
The motorcycle community is a close knit and motivated group. These increases will spark public protest amongst these law abiding decent people who will see this increase as an attack on their liberty to chose to ride a bike.
This increase will see the cost of riding a bike rise to amongst the highest in the world, at the time when we have mass unemployment and associated low income, high fuel costs increased congestion. It is a short sighted policy change which will increase peoples costs and add to transport issues.
The policy may reduce the number of people able to afford to run motorcycles (I have no doubt about that) but it will have no impact what so ever on the rate of accidents. This can only be addressed with better training for bike and car drivers and a public awareness campaign aimed at rider training.

I wish to be fully engaged in the consultation process for this policy. Please consider this a request for me to be included.

[6ft5]

we need more than just those statistics, also biking accident cause numbers, sports accidents, workplace accidents to make it all stick

[rustic101]

Do you have a source for those numbers ?

the source, will post tomorow with other potentially restricted information.

[scracha]

UK is 66 quid/12 months. Insurance though on a bike over 600cc is over 1000 quid/year

Yeah but they have this no claims bonus thing to reward careful riders like me. 160 quid for 2 bikes when I left (TDM850 and Divvy 600)

[Biggles41]

LEtter sent - we should swamp them

Swamp them let them know in no uncertain terms that we are really pissed about this, but remember they are a government department so do not use any verbally rude language (Yeah I know it'll be hard) for some of us including me.

But we have to work the system as best we can and if that fails then let the shit hit the fan, it will be time for us Kiwi's to wake up and stop these sods walking all over us.

[Varkp]

how about the boy racers, whenever there is a carnage insert on the news it involves teenagers is some sooped up peace of crap.

how about applying the same rules there.

I say mass action, i can take a ferw days off from my job to camp on the beehive lawn with my bike, small tent and long drop ...