Well bikers are screwed - ACC levy

[Usarka]

we should all put our bikes on the trailer and do big convoy to Wellington blocking the roads. Hey we did the protest march but we had our bikes on the trailer as we can't afford to ride them down. And for every bike on the trailer there will be a car towing it. this will show how much congestion there will be if bikers are forced to go back to cars.

I actually like that idea. A protest in cars would have a twist, more likely to get news time, more likely to get some degree of sympathy from cagers etc etc.

If you can't trailer just take a car. And do it in peak hour.

[DarkLord]

My fear is this -

Now that they have announced this is there anything we can actually do at all to stop it from happening?

Look at what happened with the anti smacking bill. Most voted against it, yet it was STILL put through. What the fuck is the point in a government that doesn't listen to what the people want.

I love riding a motorcycle, and these people, from as far as I can see it, are basically making it too expensive to do that. It is my right to be able to ride but they are trying to tax us off the roads as they don't want us there.

This is an absolute outrage. I didn't claim on ACC for a motorcycle related injury so why should I have to compensate for those who have. It's not my fault. Don't take it out on me.

Will a protest actually do anything though? and will they actually listen to us if we kick up a fuss and fight back? Or will they just ignore us and push on ahead anyway as they did with this stupid anti smacking bill?

[6ft5]

My fear is this -

Now that they have announced this is there anything we can actually do at all to stop it from happening?

Look at what happened with the anti smacking bill. Most voted against it, yet it was STILL put through. What the fuck is the point in a government that doesn't listen to what the people want.

I love riding a motorcycle, and these people, from as far as I can see it, are basically making it too expensive to do that. It is my right to be able to ride but they are trying to tax us off the roads as they don't want us there.

This is an absolute outrage. I didn't claim on ACC for a motorcycle related injury so why should I have to compensate for those who have. It's not my fault. Don't take it out on me.

Will a protest actually do anything though? and will they actually listen to us if we kick up a fuss and fight back? Or will they just ignore us and push on ahead anyway as they did with this stupid anti smacking bill?

Intersting point oh Darklord . . It seems to me that it has been said in this forum already that we need to get the facts straight, we need to present those facts in the strongest possible way , come up with some alternatives and lobby this throught the policy makers, media and what ever to ensure we don't get shafted.

Although I am angry as hell, this doesn't help. We need to be constructive in the protest in terms of what is the right information and what the options are.

My humble opinion after a few wines a good night sleep and a blood test this morning.

[IdunBrokdItAgin]

Whilst I am still outraged at this shafting, I wouln't be quite so angry if a some of my levy dollars were going to fund decent rider education/skills courses.
Perhaps if ACC were to fund these courses (out of the levy collected), and then those who attend get a rebate on their levy...food for thought?
A yearly refresher course at the beginning of spring.....

+1 to that idea. That would at least soften the blow. At the moment it just seems like we just have to pay more for no extra benefit.

Not a very good sell by the government, even if they didn't create the problem in the first place.

If some of the ACC levies were used for motobiker reresher courses (possibly subsidised rather than free) and to run campaigns for car drivers to be more aware of motorbikers - I beleive that the ACC claims coming from Bikers would drop significantly. Surely that is a preferable solution to just throwing money at the problem.

My 2c.

[mossy1200]

I cant believe that bikes are singled out when every other hobby,sport that involves risk is funded from the big pool.
40milllion on rugby injuries.
Do we have the only self funded passtime?

[Trudes]

Interesting listening on Newstalk ZB live (fuckers)http://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/streamin...-streaming.asp
Do some work you moaning bastards. Actually, I need to turn it off, it's just making me angrier!

[5150]

A comment from Stuff.co.nz page. pretty good suggestion me thinks

To all you law abiding motorcyclists. You should look to the 'boy racer' for inspiration at this difficult time. He will get caught, fined, not pay the fine, get more fines , not pay, go to court, get the fines (which could be many thousands) written off and in place get a few hours community work at a weekend. Much cheaper option.

[mossy1200]

A comment from Stuff.co.nz page. pretty good suggestion me thinks

To all you law abiding motorcyclists. You should look to the 'boy racer' for inspiration at this difficult time. He will get caught, fined, not pay the fine, get more fines , not pay, go to court, get the fines (which could be many thousands) written off and in place get a few hours community work at a weekend. Much cheaper option.

I knew a guy that owed 14tho in fines years ago.He opted for 7 days in jail for it to be cleared and they let him out in 4 days for good behavior.

[Rhubarb]

How about this from the alledged voice of the Motorists.

http://www.aa.co.nz/about/issues/roa...motorists.aspx

Yes it's the 'Goverment Sympathising' 'Oil Company pandering' 'Gutless, money making' organisation - The Automobile Association.

The AA appear to support the 'ripping off' of motorcyclists by ACC.

Are motorcyclist's not motorists too?

[nico]

It's all relative, the gubmint has spoken it's going up. The prciks before National should never allowed ACC to go into $4 bill def.

Someone has to pay for it now, guess who that will be

aint gna be me they can shove their rego up there a## im prepred to run

probaly the wrong attutude BUT this is what they are going to create by doing this , i dont think im alone

[5150]

Take a look boys and girls if you will at the sporting injury statistics straight from the ACC website. In particular please pay attention to the rugby sector. Now tell me who should be paying bigger levies.

http://www.acc.co.nz/about-acc/stati...aims/IS0800369


Hang on while i clean my ass before i get shafted

[Freakshow]

So my 50cc scooter has just gone from $50 to $250 ( i missed the news).

[Trudes]

Take a look boys and girls if you will at the sporting injury statistics straight from the ACC website. In particular please pay attention to the rugby sector. Now tell me who should be paying bigger levies.

http://www.acc.co.nz/about-acc/stati...aims/IS0800369


Hang on while i clean my ass before i get shafted

We're easier to tax, we already pay the taxes why not just hike them up rather than trying to squeeze $$ out of a bunch of rugby players before they hit the field and fuck each other up. Like I said, we're scapegoats, we're easy to blame as so many people still think "motorbike" and they image up gang members... and everyone hates them, bloody crims.
AND in other breaking news ( ) http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/2966...building-foyer yes the motorcyclists are the problem

[5150]

And here are the statistics broken down per vehicle type. Please note cost of injury of motorcycle claims as oppose to cars. (especialy for perion in 2007)

Where did Prick Smith get his figures from?

http://www.acc.co.nz/about-acc/stati...ount/IS0800143

[mossy1200]

And here are the statistics broken down per vehicle type. Please note cost of injury of motorcycle claims as oppose to cars. (especialy for perion in 2007)

Where did Prick Smith get his figures from?

http://www.acc.co.nz/about-acc/stati...ount/IS0800143

wheres the offroad motorcycles other than atvs?