ACC just another National agenda!

[GSXGirl]

haha actually the jokes on you 'healthy debate is what I said' I'm not making a smear campaign rather a 'think' campaign I don't actually support any of the parties and I actually do make $120,000 a year but I also know a lot of people DONT!!! Have a nice day!! Boys !! It certainly worked....think on :+)

[kwaka_crasher]

haha actually the jokes on you 'healthy debate is what I said' I'm not making a smear campaign rather a 'think' campaign I don't actually support any of the parties and I actually do make $120,000 a year but I also know a lot of people DONT!!! Have a nice day!! Boys !! It certainly worked....think on :+)

How about you think on this: everything you posted is blatant bullshit. Fuck off.

[StoneY]

haha actually the jokes on you 'healthy debate is what I said' I'm not making a smear campaign rather a 'think' campaign I don't actually support any of the parties and I actually do make $120,000 a year but I also know a lot of people DONT!!! Have a nice day!! Boys !! It certainly worked....think on :+)

How about you think on this: everything you posted is blatant bullshit. Fuck off.

FIGHT!!!!



Payslips at 20 paces on the Domain????

[steelestring]

so is it true.... NZlders voted like blind slugs! SAid the Australian news? the headlines after the results ...WHos happy with their farken tax cuts now? Just as I was getting a huge lecture from the delivery man from one of our suppliers he said .... we'll see whos better off in 2 years time!....

[pete376403]

This post is Very Wrong.
This is not a result of a National Government. A rich mans Govt! WTF?

This is a result of 9 years of a Labour Government. Which drove ACC debt into the 13 Billion deficit that they've left for National to deal with.
National have to do something to defuse this massive issue and unfortunately were being targeted. Motorcyclists often require skin grafts and skin grafts cost 5-10 times the cost of most other treatments over the same duration.

You could say that National have been left to clean up the mess left by Labour yet again. National can't leave this debt to be ignored.

Nope - What labour did was start to move ACC to fully funded, as a precaution. It was alway intended for this to take place over many years (out to 2014 - quote Rod Oram "when Labour took office in 1999, it decided to be prudent. It set the goal of achieving full funding for all liabilities by 2014, and beefed up ACC's finances to set it on that path. From 1999 to 2008, ACC had improved from 64% under-funded to 45%."
There has been a lot of smoke and mirrors talk from ACC and National that the system is in crisis and running out of money. It is largely bullshit accounting that has arrived at the $20 odd billion number, where they have taken a whole lot of hypothetical assumptions and used them to calculate a number that is now promoted as gospel and which is being used to justify huge increases all over, not just for bikes.
I believe this is part of a strategy to get people to say "ACC is too expensive, we can't afford it, sell it off to private insurers", which National have tried to do in the past, and wil ltry to do again.
Nick Smith and John Judge are not being honest with New Zealand.

[rainman]

Nope - What labour did was start to move ACC to fully funded, as a precaution. It was alway intended for this to take place over many years (out to 2014 - quote Rod Oram "when Labour took office in 1999, it decided to be prudent. It set the goal of achieving full funding for all liabilities by 2014, and beefed up ACC's finances to set it on that path. From 1999 to 2008, ACC had improved from 64% under-funded to 45%."
There has been a lot of smoke and mirrors talk from ACC and National that the system is in crisis and running out of money. It is largely bullshit accounting that has arrived at the $20 odd billion number, where they have taken a whole lot of hypothetical assumptions and used them to calculate a number that is now promoted as gospel and which is being used to justify huge increases all over, not just for bikes.
I believe this is part of a strategy to get people to say "ACC is too expensive, we can't afford it, sell it off to private insurers", which National have tried to do in the past, and wil ltry to do again.
Nick Smith and John Judge are not being honest with New Zealand.

Bling to you, sir. The Nats (and their mindless followers) are using the old maxim, "never let the facts get in the way of a good story".

Given the current recessionary climate, there is no reason why National can't defer the deadline for full funding to some time further out. Other than wanting to break ACC and screw us taxpayers over yet again, while giving $200mil+ to their mates in the insurance industry, that is.

[GSXGirl]

[GSXGirl]

Now now its just a blog!!! Calm down LOL

[Pixie]

Liarbour caused the ACC fuck up.

I support private accident insurance- get some competion in the sector

[ManDownUnder]

There now that should spark a bit of healthy debate!

...and that's why KB is full of such useful commentary. very few in here actually play the ball - not the man (or person, woman, female in this case).

I like the thread... think it's brilliant.

If I could replace the high ACC levy with private insurance making me personally responsible for things that I do wrong... then go for it. Like last year - I had an accident. Entirely my fault, my bad, my insurance preiums went up... all as it should be.

It might actually discourage bad drivers from spending time on the road if they can't afford insurance.

I predict that for the next 10 years my $750/year in ACC levies will go into someone else's pocket. I want control over that $7,500 thanks, and if I have the opportunity to reduce it while doing the things I enjoy then I expect to be able to do so. Freedom, and less social control over me as an individual.

That's why I voted for JK. Will do so again too, he's doing a brilliant job

[Mully]

I love the way people are still making this a Labour/National thing.

It's entirely irrevelant who's in the Beehive at the moment. If Labour had been re-elected last year, this same debate would be happening right now, because ACC would still be in the same state.

Remember; Labour are crying that the increase in levies this time is unfair, but they put the levies up using the same logic last time.

They would be doing exactly the same thing if they were still in power.

On this issue, we need a single voice. If we make that voice loud enough, it will still be echoing when Labour are back in the Beehive and should remind them.

By all means, play the National/Labour game elsewhere (it's interesting to read, if nothing else), but don't take your eyes off the ball with this issue.

Dividing and conquering is how this sort of shit gets through.

[Coldrider]

I am pretty sure I heard that there is an expectation that ACC will not only be self funding, but is expected to give a return.

[StoneY]

Liarbour caused the ACC fuck up.

I support private accident insurance- get some competion in the sector

When you learn to spell and proof read I might bother considering your opinion

Your too illiterate to undesrtand politics at this point so shut the fuck up

[kwaka_crasher]

Your too illiterate to undesrtand politics at this point so shut the fuck up

Pot/kettle much?

[pzkpfw]

Now now its just a blog!!! Calm down LOL

1. What blog?

2. What specific thing(s) do you think would be different if Labour were still in power?

e.g.

Would they have pulled magic money from under a bush to pay for ACC?

Would they have added a different tax somewhere else?

Would they have forced ACC to implement a flat increase to apply to all vehicle types and sizes?

Would they have made ACC make fees zero for people under 18 who eat lentils?

...just what would be different?