Stop bitching and use your brains...

[McJim]

Tell me something...your so full of how this is or should or has been done, what the fuck does an Aussie know about our system?
Or were you part of the so called brain drain? (proving it was more of a asshole migration if you were tbh)

Wow! Living proof that brain amputation is not terminal!

[chanceyy]

Stoney sorry to say I find your post rather disappointing, among all the drivel posts re the acc I have found this thread most interesting & sanx has made some thought provoking posts, as bikers we should be presenting a united front but your post shows that there is no such thing ..

time to go back out doing your tag o rama I feel

[MSTRS:Me]

Since this seems to be 'the serious thread' - I have a suggestion/question.
If this fee hike is all about covering costs, is there a collective will to reduce those costs?
I'm no KM, so I'm not suggesting that everyone stop riding like cocks (although some could take this advice)...no, rather I would suggest that we could do well to protect ourselves with the use of full gear. Helmets are compulsory, and there was a huge hue and cry when that came in, but it's not a biggie now, is it? Wouldn't it be better to be pro-active and voluntarily use the extra gear?
I'm not talking fluoro vests etc, just crash-appropriate clothing, gloves and footwear. We can't help crashing (well, often enough we can't) but we can mitigate injury, to an extent.
If the costs of crashing goes down, there's a big incentive to keep our levies at the same rate as other road users.

[monkeymcbean]

Since this seems to be 'the serious thread' - I have a suggestion/question.
If this fee hike is all about covering costs, is there a collective will to reduce those costs?
I'm no KM, so I'm not suggesting that everyone stop riding like cocks (although some could take this advice)...no, rather I would suggest that we could do well to protect ourselves with the use of full gear. Helmets are compulsory, and there was a huge hue and cry when that came in, but it's not a biggie now, is it? Wouldn't it be better to be pro-active and voluntarily use the extra gear?
I'm not talking fluoro vests etc, just crash-appropriate clothing, gloves and footwear. We can't help crashing (well, often enough we can't) but we can mitigate injury, to an extent.
If the costs of crashing goes down, there's a big incentive to keep our levies at the same rate as other road users.

Strange, if as motorcyclist we have clocked up such bad accident statistics, why has the Govt spent so much taxpayer money on safety campaigns targeting male car drivers, and absolutely zilch on safety campaigns for bikers?

[Coldrider]

Strange, if as motorcyclist we have clocked up such bad accident statistics, why has the Govt spent so much taxpayer money on safety campaigns targeting male car drivers, and absolutely zilch on safety campaigns for bikers?

We have, Moto GP and Superbike, apparently.....
Seriously, it has been made mention on current affair programmes, with the likes of Phill Goff appearing etc on Closeup, however motorcyclists are at an average (or mean, or skewed) age where we can't be told, and/or should know better.
But do we need ads to tell us what how we should be riding?

[monkeymcbean]

We have, Moto GP and Superbike, apparently.....
Seriously, it has been made mention on current affair programmes, with the likes of Phill Goff appearing etc on Closeup, however motorcyclists are at an average (or mean, or skewed) age where we can't be told, and/or should know better.
But do we need ads to tell us what how we should be riding?

Yes, I get lots of riding tips from Moto GP...

No 'I' and 'yourself' don't think we need ads to tell us how we should ride, but they sure think they need to tell 'Jo public' how to drive, not to drink etc, they don't know that we can ride, they sure lead to belief by the statistics were costing alot of money through accidents.
So you think they would spend some money of a TV safety campainge like they do for drivers.
At least spend some money on up skilling new riders/riders/riders returning to biking.

[Coldrider]

Yes, I get lots of riding tips from Moto GP...

No 'I' and 'yourself' don't think we need ads to tell us how we should ride, but they sure think they need to tell 'Jo public' how to drive, not to drink etc, they don't know that we can ride, they sure lead to belief by the statistics were costing alot of money through accidents.
So you think they would spend some money of a TV safety campainge like they do for drivers.
At least spend some money on up skilling new riders/riders/riders returning to biking.

Maybe there is an agenda here to make motorcycling a pastime of the rich & famous, suits me.
Trawl through a few threads of 'it is my right to speed', 'i did this an did a runna' etc to work out the mindset of some motorcyclists, passing their medicare costs onto the paying audience, it is alright man, shit on my brother, he will pay attitude.

[monkeymcbean]

Have gone slightly off subject from the thread, as they all have, but this was interesting reading this one. But back to what MSTRS:ME last posted.
Complusory wearing of specific motorcycle protective gear: I like the gear, i find its comfortable, it is cheap compared to what it was 25 years ago and so much better choice.
I witnessed it save lots of skin and bone last weekend...on a ACC subsidised! rider training weekend at Teratonga....I was impressed.

I think to wear it and think its the bees knees is delusionary as there are so many types of accidents on a motorbike that involves big impacts, it would not matter what you where wearing it would not help, i reckon.

Would it have helped in any accidents recorded, i don't know if anyone has done a survey. I think the Two wheels magazine or a ad in the magazine was trying to obtain figures from motorcyclist invovled in accidents whether the gear they were wearing helped in injury prevention.

[Coldrider]

Have gone slightly off subject from the thread, as they all have, but this was interesting reading this one. But back to what MSTRS:ME last posted.
Complusory wearing of specific motorcycle protective gear: I like the gear, i find its comfortable, it is cheap compared to what it was 25 years ago and so much better choice.
I witnessed it save lots of skin and bone last weekend...on a ACC subsidised! rider training weekend at Teratonga....I was impressed.

I think to wear it and think its the bees knees is delusionary as there are so many types of accidents on a motorbike that involves big impacts, it would not matter what you where wearing it would not help, i reckon.

Would it have helped in any accidents recorded, i don't know if anyone has done a survey. I think the Two wheels magazine or a ad in the magazine was trying to obtain figures from motorcyclist invovled in accidents whether the gear they were wearing helped in injury prevention.

Yes off topic, this thread is on hard number crunching only. Dr Smith Stats vs KB's.

[dipshit]

Would it have helped in any accidents recorded, i don't know if anyone has done a survey.

From...

http://home1.gte.net/res0ak9f/bike.htm

"Because there is convincing evidence that helmets save lives and reduce society's burden of caring for injured riders, states should enact and retain universal helmet laws for those who want the 'right to choose'.

In Florida, for example, fatalities increased by 81% during a three-year period after the state repealed its law in 2000. Riders who ride without a helmet are required to carry $10,000 worth of insurance, but that $10,000 is often used up in the first 30 minutes of trauma care. Hospital costs for motorcycle-related injuries soared to $44 million in the 30 months after the law was reversed, versus $21 million over a similar span while the law was in effect. Less than 10% of the motorcycle riders involved in these accidents had insurance of any kind to provide medical care."

Just think how bad our statistics would be now if BRONZ got its way and overturned compulsory helmet use as well.

On that US site they say in 2005 you were 37 times more likely to die on a motorcycle than a car. It was 14 times in 1997.

[kiwi cowboy]

Yes Sanx that is pretty cool work,Young Nick is selling it with lies, however the bridge to cross is, $62,523,000 in claims supported by 96,952 registered MCs works out to an Ave of $644.88.

Factor in that say 80% of bike owners also own a car/truck and it works out at 358.27

[NighthawkNZ:Me]

On that US site they say in 2005 you were 37 times more likely to die on a motorcycle than a car. It was 14 times in 1997.

Yeah but they drive like idiots over there...


Oh wait...

[Fluffy Cat]

After reading your post SANX we should be asking Nick Smith for a public apology. Great research wish i was so savvy.
Thank you very much.

[Coldrider]

Factor in that say 80% of bike owners also own a car/truck and it works out at 358.27

My crunch is on motorcycle acc income on motorcycle payouts, no more no less. That is on Nick Smiths terms.
Car /truck acc payments are irrelevant, they contribite to the car injuries.

Why do people persist in bring other acc payments into the equation.

Go back to post one of this thread and work it out.
Have your arguement on another thread that has gone to custard, there is a huge choice there bro, if the math is too hard for you.

I seriously believe that that there are people out there who want to winge about the levy, but secretly want to pay it, if that is their arguement, be happy with the $0.9G sticker man.

[kiwi cowboy]

My crunch is on motorcycle acc income on motorcycle payouts, no more no less. That is on Nick Smiths terms.
Car /truck acc payments are irrelevant, they contribite to the car injuries.

Why do people persist in bring other acc payments into the equation.

Go back to post one of this thread and work it out.
Have your arguement on another thread that has gone to custard, there is a huge choice there bro, if the math is too hard for you.

Yes but the fact is my car acc redgo payment IS a factor when im on my bike because i pay both and am [SIZE="6"]ONLY DRIVING ONE so it is relevant and the maths is not a problem for me so im stayin put.