Stop bitching and use your brains...

[ThumperNut]

Given that the major portion of the annual rego is the ACC levy, I would be interested to know how much revenue ACC receive from fines for unregistered vehicles. I suspect they don't get what is arguably theirs.
If that is the case, it would then be interesting to know how much the government receives each year in fines from unregistered ( and maybe unwarranted?) drivers who are effectively not contributing their share to the ACC.

[Coldrider]

Yes but the fact is my car acc redgo payment IS a factor when im on my bike because i pay both and am [SIZE="6"]ONLY DRIVING ONE so it is relevant and the maths is not a problem for me so im stayin put.

Fine, this point is covered on heaps of threads, is not the topic of this thread.
The point of dual ownership or more will not win any arguemnets in the face of politicians. Your post and various others should be moved to PD.

[kiwi cowboy]

Fine, this point is covered on heaps of threads, is not the topic of this thread.
The point of dual ownership or more will not win any arguemnets in the face of politicians. Your post and various others should be moved to PD.

Ok sorry i diddnt relise that your opinion is the only one that count and because iv'e got an opinion i should live in pd?

[Coldrider]

Ok sorry i diddnt relise that your opinion is the only one that count and because iv'e got an opinion i should live in pd?

No, it is because your arguement is not the topic of this thread.

[kiwi cowboy]

No, it is because your arguement is not the topic of this thread.

Well im sorry but i was comenting on a post made and that post was dividing the acc cost to mc's verses the income from mc's and i was only trying to point out that because i have a car as well and i can only drive one at a time but pay twice on redgo that that should be calculated in but maybe im just thinking a bit far outside the square.

[Coldrider]

Well im sorry but i was comenting on a post made and that post was dividing the acc cost to mc's verses the income from mc's and i was only trying to point out that because i have a car as well and i can only drive one at a time but pay twice on redgo that that should be calculated in but maybe im just thinking a bit far outside the square.

Half of KB have more than one vehicle they are paying for.
But those sort of things have to be put aside and fact on fact argued, or we'll be divided and screwed.

[dipshit]

I think they base it on actual road use rather than the registered vehicle fleet.

"In 1997, motorcyclists were 14 times more likely than passenger car occupants to die in a crash, per vehicle mile traveled."

http://home1.gte.net/res0ak9f/bike.htm


So in the US they got a similar figure to our alleged 16 times when based on "per vehicle mile traveled".

[kiwi cowboy]

Half of KB have more than one vehicle they are paying for.
But those sort of things have to be put aside and fact on fact argued, or we'll be divided and screwed.

Point 1-true.
Point 2-so the fact that we as motorcyclists are getting targeted and paying through the nose when horse riders ,cyclists,hunters,sports player's etc etc pay nothing cant be argued as fact on fact then?

[Coldrider]

Point 1-true.
Point 2-so the fact that we as motorcyclists are getting targeted and paying through the nose when horse riders ,cyclists,hunters,sports player's etc etc pay nothing cant be argued as fact on fact then?

Point 2 true, but if you read through the posts we, (and I), weren't going there.
There is plenty of other threads to choice from for those arguements, but no actual hard facts deriving from them, other than huff & puff.
This thread was commended was it not, from a MOD for being on topic and thoughtful.
Why do you think out of app 85 ACC threads only a handful survive.
We wish to stick to tackling Nick Smiths claims with real numbers.

[NighthawkNZ:Me]

Cyclists (adult that works) hunters, boaties sports etc, and including motorcycle and car are all covered by PAYE ACC...

motorcyclists are just being targeted because minority and a so called soft target, supposidly easy money in reality motorcyclists, (espeacially those with 2 or 3 vehicles) plus PAYE, and the fuel ACC pay more than their fair share over all...

The short fall only counts the rego income, your PAYE ACC covers any thing you do not matter what... no fault... no questions, no finger pointing... untill now...

[kiwi cowboy]

Point 2 true, but if you read through the posts we, (and I), weren't going there.
There is plenty of other threads to choice from for those arguements, but no actual hard facts deriving from them, other than huff & puff.
This thread was commended was it not, from a MOD for being on topic and thoughtful.
Why do you think out of app 85 ACC threads only a handful survive.
We wish to stick to tackling Nick Smiths claims with real numbers.

Well to me the fact that we as motorists pay acc leveis but sports etc etc people dont is a valid argument and a hard fact and not as you say huff and puff.
This is not just about real numbers its about numbers,equality,fairness and the fact that acc is supposed to be no fault cover

[kiwi cowboy]

Cyclists (adult that works) hunters, boaties sports etc, and including motorcycle and car are all covered by PAYE ACC...

motorcyclists are just being targeted because minority and a so called soft target, supposidly easy money in reality motorcyclists, (espeacially those with 2 or 3 vehicles) plus PAYE, and the fuel ACC pay more than their fair share over all...

The short fall only counts the rego income, your PAYE ACC covers any thing you do not matter what... no fault... no questions, no finger pointing... untill now...

I agree but be ready for cold rider to flame you cos were in th wrong thread with these type of coments

[Coldrider]

Well to me the fact that we as motorists pay acc leveis but sports etc etc people dont is a valid argument and a hard fact and not as you say huff and puff.
This is not just about real numbers its about numbers,equality,fairness and the fact that acc is supposed to be no fault cover

Fine, and I hope you have worked out how much rego is going to cost you from 2014 to 2019 should you loose, I'm posting on another forum now.

[sinfull]

Did you see Key on the news saying, awww crikey that Rodney hyde has some good ideas, yes we will think about opening ACC up to privatisation (competition) !
And you still think we can stop this by talking !!
How far is he up the Maori parties arse, awww wait, could it be that he gave in on the .... What was that he gave them not just a day or so ago ? Crikey He gave Maori TV the world cup !!!
Obvious he has Acts vote, where is he with the Maori party ?
Last nights parliment sitting was just a handshake come piss up !!
The legislation allowing them to change the ACC levies will pass !
I'm packing my slingshot !!!

I say once more Bulls, See ya's on the bridge on labour monday Arvo at 4pm !
Have ya banner saying " No to ACC Levy hikes, No to privatisation, or, Hello Americanisation !!!
T shirts and banners welcome !
I will see all you other Davids there, i'll bring My slingshot !!!
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[Coldrider]

I agree but be ready for cold rider to flame you cos were in th wrong thread with these type of coments

I think you will find Nighthawks and I are in agreement under the appropriate thread
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...=110053&page=2
What do you have to offer that is not contained in every other thread.