ACC Levies. BRONZ meeting

**dipshit** · 17th October 2009, 07:57

Originally Posted by R Sole

This is what I wrote to my North Shore councillor. a few valid points. They are trying to treat the symptoms rather than the cause.

If the powers at be have been receiving piles of inane letters like this talking absolute shit... no wonder they think motorcyclists are a bunch of idiots.

Please people stop writing retarded crap like this and sending it to the politicians!

(edit: Sorry, i got your post crossed with...

Originally Posted by jeffs

Ok Some real numbers. Using data from 2006 from ACC and LTSA.

thinking this was a letter sent to a politician. Yours wasn't quite that bad)

**Big Dave** · 17th October 2009, 12:06

I gather from this article that we should be getting well acquainted with our ACT and Maori party members. Champions of fair play as they are.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/n...ectid=10603740

**Genestho** · 17th October 2009, 12:24

Originally Posted by Big Dave

I gather from this article that we should be getting well acquainted with our ACT and Maori party members. Champions of fair play as they are.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/n...ectid=10603740

Yea but http://www.3news.co.nz/Rodney-Hide-s...7/Default.aspx

ACT leader Rodney Hide says the problems with ACC are "structural" and he favours privatisation.
(here it comes)

**Latch** · 18th October 2009, 14:49

I have taken the liberty of making changes to the Wiki page regarding the ACC levy to more clearly structure our arguments.

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/wiki/2009_ACC_levy_proposal

Having lived in other countries, I am convinced that the ACC is a Very Good Thing™ for New Zealand generally, and for anyone involved in sports as dangerous as ours. You may disagree, but try to be pragmatic - are you likely to be able to change this institution whilst arguing against this particular levy - I think not.

Now successive governments need to make the ACC work financially, and I also doubt we can change National's intention to increase funding by this levy. I suggest therefore, that we accept National wants to charge us for the burden our sport represents, and put our best effort into ensuring the levy is at least applied fairly.

I've spent a lot of time trying to summarize other writers' posts and to be as clear as possible, but if you can improve meaning, you absolutely should do so. You should also add your own arguments.

If you are unfamiliar with Wiki usage, you are encouraged to read the guidelines (on the site itself, left hand menu) and be bold - we are able to undo errors. Your object is to improve the document as a whole, which means respecting and improving others' arguments as well as your own.

It is very important that we present clear, well-reasoned arguments (or otherwise persuade Winston Peters to support our cause, since he seems to have made a career out of ignoring clear and well-reasoned arguments

) To this end, the wiki might summarize our position, and enable our organizers to clearly express the opinion of our community to political leaders.

(I have not entered into the whole off-road debate, and I'm not sure it's relevant since clearly, National are seeking to make this charge to road users.)

Cheers!

L@

**RiderInBlack** · 18th October 2009, 15:39

Now that was an interesting read:
http://www.thestandard.org.nz/first-...ture-a-crisis/
Thank for the link Ms Piggy (posted here http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...6&postcount=27) .

Taking that to be true, then there is no real justification to raise the ACC lieves as much that fast.

**Dean** · 18th October 2009, 16:23

Anyone in hibiscus coast or northshore want to meet up ride out to it, can I just hang round outside cant afford the door fee.lol

**Maha** · 18th October 2009, 17:04

Originally Posted by Dean

Anyone in hibiscus coast or northshore want to meet up ride out to it, can I just hang round outside cant afford the door fee.lol

We are going down to the BRONZ meeting Dean, we could meet you at Silverdale BP if you want?

**Mom** · 18th October 2009, 17:32

Originally Posted by Dean

can I just hang round outside cant afford the door fee.lol

There is no door charge mate. This is a public meeting anyone can attend. You just cant vote if you are not a financial member is all.

**danb** · 18th October 2009, 21:07

Has anyone setup a Petition website yet??
If not I can rig one up.

**Ixion** · 18th October 2009, 21:11

Yes, someone did . Search for epetition or e-petition, I think

**RiderInBlack** · 19th October 2009, 06:55

Originally Posted by Ixion

Yes, someone did . Search for epetition or e-petition, I think

http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/nzbikers_vs_acc/?e

**Tenere05** · 19th October 2009, 12:58

So why we being ripped off by the government yet again? Well for one we're totally laid back Kiwis, yep she'll be right! And now we pay the price yet again, and we all know they will drop the cost a few bucks and we'll all pat ourselves on the back and think we've won a victory. So what can we do? Well first of all if you ride a bike off road pay for own broken fucking back, don't let me pay because we both just happen to ride bikes! Seriously though what the fuck is fair about me dropping my MX Bike and the tour rider picking up the bill. Here's a great idea, lets leave all our road bikes in the shed the year the change comes out, don't register them, you'll still have to massive bill from off road and MX injuries to pay but fuck all coming from the bikers, seriously put you money where your mouth is and take it away from them, spend some on the bike, give it that rebuild of re-paint you thought about, soon the bastards will want you back on the road - maybe we should stop being the tough looking but seriously ball free bunch we have become. If the levy comes in as planned this is one Kiwi who will take his bike and somewhere bikes are welcome, er i think that is everywhere apart from here. Good luck with the fight, I will join the rallies but with a smarmy arsed primeminister like ours we will be paying!

**Clean_up** · 19th October 2009, 23:26

anyone else from the shore going to the meeting on wed night? If so, how bout we meet up at the mobil on northcote road and head in?

**mahon** · 20th October 2009, 00:02

“The Government had not predetermined the appropriate increase per cc rating and encouraged people to have their say before submissions closed on November 10.” - http://www.odt.co.nz/news/politics/7...ses-says-smith

Therefore:

Nick Smith: Email: nick.smith@national.org.nz Website: www.nick4nelson.co.nz
Phone: (04)817 6805 (Parliament)
Phone: (03)5472314 (Electorate)
Fax 547 2315
or E-mail nick@nick4nelson.co.nz,

John Key: Email: john.key@national.org.nz
Website: www.johnkey.co.nz
Phone: (04)817 6800 (Parliament)
Phone: (09)4122496 (Electorate)

Opposition (who’s support National needs):
Hon Rodney Hide Phone: 04 817 6823 Email: rodney.hide@act.org.nz

Maori party : http://www.maoriparty.org/index.php?...ontact-us.html

Safe riding