BIKEOI Wellington

**StoneY** · 17th October 2009, 21:37

OH and I have 2 solid lines on sympathetic MPs from my old 'govt worker' days

Im abusing them believe me lol

**Insanity_rules** · 17th October 2009, 21:37

Damn I'm away on holiday this coming week or I'd be in like Flynn. Will be keeping an eye on this though.

**Trudes** · 17th October 2009, 21:39

Originally Posted by James Deuce

No and no. Neither petition nor pissy with the ACC. This is a protest against a Government plan to price motorcycling off the road with secondary goal of removing the discriminatory aspect of the separate levy for motorcycles. ( I hope - I may be about to be slapped)

It's a protest and an education opportunity. We're not getting together to rant, we're getting together to lend weight to BRONZ's message to the Government. BRONZ delivers the message, and we do a mass, mobile Mexican wave in support.

Cool. Crystal. Thanks.

**Pedrostt500** · 17th October 2009, 21:44

Originally Posted by James Deuce

No and no. Neither petition nor pissy with the ACC. This is a protest against a Government plan to price motorcycling off the road with secondary goal of removing the discriminatory aspect of the separate levy for motorcycles. ( I hope - I may be about to be slapped)

It's a protest and an education opportunity. We're not getting together to rant, we're getting together to lend weight to BRONZ's message to the Government. BRONZ delivers the message, and we do a mass, mobile Mexican wave in support.

Won't slap ya JD, but some of it is giving a bit of a show for the rest of NZ, handing over a Petition or something of the nature gives the Media something to focus on rather than bikers going Wahhh.

**Bend-it** · 17th October 2009, 21:46

Maybe BRONZ could join the Bikoi and hand over their petition then?

**James Deuce** · 17th October 2009, 21:53

Originally Posted by Pedrostt500

Won't slap ya JD, but some of it is giving a bit of a show for the rest of NZ, handing over a Petition or something of the nature gives the Media something to focus on rather than bikers going Wahhh.

BRONZ are handing the message over. Handing a petition over is pointless as there aren't enough registered motorcycles in NZ to force a review of ACC laws, even if we all signed.

I think people have forgotten how to protest. You don't have to have anything to hand over. The message will be loud and strong if thousands of bikers turn up and infest the legislative district of Wellington in support of an already publicised message on a set day for a set period of time. BRONZ delivers a message we all agree on. The BIKOI publicly displays the number of NZ citizens affected by poorly considered change in ACC levy, based on faulty logic and using faulty reasoning to justify the unjustifiable.

This isn't a Swiss canton. NZ Governments aren't answerable to the general populace between elections, but if we show that there are enough voters willing to make a public show of disapproval against a campaign of misinformation surrounding the cause of ACC's downturn in profit then they may just stay their hand.

This time.

**Nasty** · 17th October 2009, 22:00

Originally Posted by Bend-it

** copied and pasted from the other Bikoi thread...

While there's the big Bikoi whenever we decide on a date, we could have smaller regional rides or protests before then... which I'll fully be keen to help organise... Ideas like maybe:-

- Drive our cars in early, park in a row on Bowen St (coupon parking, $3 per day) with posters on the car windows to the effect of: I usually ride in and take up no carparks, but ACC levies will force me to drive in and take up a carpark, like today... In shorter, punchier words of course... and the target logo...

- Similar thing with bikes, and take 1 carpark per bike, sellotape or bungee-cord notes to bikes.

- Chilled out lunchtime ride down The Terrace, Lambton Quay, Molesworth St and Bowen St, into the parliament carpark and have lunch on the lawns, with helmets, gear, t-shirts and of course, media present...

- Have 2 bikes on display somewhere with lots of foot traffic, a supersport 600 and say an FJR1300 or BMW R1200GS or something like that, with info sheets displayed, showing engine capacity, hp etc... showing that CCs do not equate speed, horsepower or danger... abit of an education campaign. Maybe get permission to park it on Midland Park or something like that?

We could do one a week, as build up until the Bikoi...

We should also get a small flyer written up, as to why the proposals are unjust, maybe A5 size to hand out at any event. Some well reasoned arguments on one side, and some stats on the other. No emotional ranting or name-calling... Just present a cool, calm case. I think there's enough on these threads to go on...

You will not get bikes onto parliament unless it is arranged prior ... which can be rather tricky ... with the cheesecutter ride we parked in the parks to the side on Molesworth Street. If you want to do this let WCC know (through a council staffy) and they can see if the parks can be managed in a way to keep them clear for that time period.

**StoneY** · 17th October 2009, 22:06

Originally Posted by Nasty

You will not get bikes onto parliament unless it is arranged prior ... which can be rather tricky ... with the cheesecutter ride we parked in the parks to the side on Molesworth Street. If you want to do this let WCC know (through a council staffy) and they can see if the parks can be managed in a way to keep them clear for that time period.

Good point Kari

Is John Visser the man to approach there?
He has been very forthcoming for us over the parking issues around town

Most excellent topic to broach

**Pedrostt500** · 17th October 2009, 22:06

Originally Posted by James Deuce

BRONZ are handing the message over. Handing a petition over is pointless as there aren't enough registered motorcycles in NZ to force a review of ACC laws, even if we all signed.

I think people have forgotten how to protest. You don't have to have anything to hand over. The message will be loud and strong if thousands of bikers turn up and infest the legislative district of Wellington in support of an already publicised message on a set day for a set period of time. BRONZ delivers a message we all agree on. The BIKOI publicly displays the number of NZ citizens affected by poorly considered change in ACC levy, based on faulty logic and using faulty reasoning to justify the unjustifiable.

This isn't a Swiss canton. NZ Governments aren't answerable to the general populace between elections, but if we show that there are enough voters willing to make a public show of disapproval against a campaign of misinformation surrounding the cause of ACC's downturn in profit then they may just stay their hand.

This time.

This is not just about the higher ACC levy, this is also an attack on the whole of the motorcycle industry.

**Bend-it** · 17th October 2009, 22:09

Originally Posted by StoneY

Good point Kari

Is John Visser the man to approach there?
He has been very forthcoming for us over the parking issues around town

Most excellent topic to broach

Hmm, he'd also be the guy to talk about displaying some bikes in public parks at lunchtime then I guess...

Wellingtonians who want to help out practically with abit of publi education, have a look here: http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...d.php?t=110281

**James Deuce** · 17th October 2009, 22:10

Originally Posted by Pedrostt500

This is not just about the higher ACC levy, this is also an attack on the whole of the motorcycle industry.

BRONZ speak for bikers. It's up the Bike Industry to organise their response. BRONZ and the Bike Industry should certainly be working in partnership but where is the line drawn? I'm not sure that the "message" has congealed yet, but it shouldn't be diluted in any way. Personally I'm not in favour of trying to extend the "message" to include the woes of the wider economic implications of raising ACC levies to unaffordable levels.

**Pedrostt500** · 17th October 2009, 22:23

But it is worth us thinking of those further ramifacations, and how we can use those arguments to our advantage. I would be supprised if the ramifacations of the new preposed ACC levies is not worring all motorcycle shops for the length of the country, even if their core business is not road bikes.