BIKEOI - When? The final poll

**Ixion** · 19th October 2009, 14:06

We don't need to do it before the submissions close. We won't influence ACC itself, they ahve no reason to change their mind.

What we want, is to try to influence the Minsiter, when he is thinking about whether to sign off the ACC proposals. Which he will be doing sometime between close of submissions, and February, when the decision has to be advertised (gazetted)

So, submissions close 10 Nov. Acc will spend a week or so pretending to think about them, then forward their proposals to the Minister. Who then must think about them, and consider the likely political fallout if he agrees. (ACC don't care about political repercussions , it's just a bean exercise to them).

That's the stage we want to make a show, while the Minister is thinking "if I sign off on this, how big a stink will it cause".

He won't think about them that much until ACC forward them to him sometime after Nov 10

He's unlikely to leave making his decision until January, because he''ll be on holiday!

If we are going to do a National run at all, we need, IMHO, to do it lateish November or early December, before the house rises.

**Bald Eagle** · 19th October 2009, 14:15

Originally Posted by StoneY

Which I believe leaves us with the October sittings......now THATS tight!

Yes because closing date for submissions is 10th of November which is a week before the first available November sitting date.

I consider a local presence activity on the 5th should still happen, either a ride or just a gathering.

The BIKEOI ride will be a separate National co-ordinated event on a date yet to be suggested / co-ordiated by BRONZ

**Mr. Rock** · 19th October 2009, 18:30

once everything is done and sorted is it possible to pm the WHOLE of kiwibiker to just inform everyone about what ever gets sorted? it would have to be done by who ever is the big boss of the site. but it sure beats having to troll a billion threds..

**StoneY** · 19th October 2009, 18:35

The meeting on Thursday will be when to make these last decisions

**nothingflash** · 19th October 2009, 18:48

Originally Posted by Jantar

For those asking for the 5th, I would remind you that parliament is not in session on that day, so who are we presenting our petition to? And what grounds do we have for being at parliament?

The 15th - 17th is the only option if we want maximum media coverage and to make a point.

Yep good point...

**Dafe** · 19th October 2009, 18:57

John Banks is a keen biker.
He'd be a great one to have on the ride.

**klingon** · 19th October 2009, 18:59

I am totally convinced that November 17th is the day to present the submissions on the steps of parliament (although oddly enough I might not be able to make it to the protest as I will probably be inside the building!

)

Nov 17th is the first available sitting date after submissions close, and (as Ixion has carefully explained above) this is the ideal timing to be able to make our point, while still giving us enough time to organise it.

However, I'm not so keen on the idea of riding to Wellington on the 15th then hanging around until the 17th. I think our energy will be waning by then and our Wellington billets will be strained.

I would prefer to start the regional BIKOIs that weekend, then those who want to will start out for Wellington, timing our arrival for Monday night. Those who can't get time off work can escort the main group as far as they can, toward Wellington, then can still get home on Sunday night for work Monday.

On Tuesday morning the BIKOI group meets at a gathering place in the Wellington region, and aim to present the petition at the Beehive around lunchtime Tuesday.

**yungatart** · 19th October 2009, 19:03

I think you are on to it there, Klingon!

**peasea** · 19th October 2009, 19:10

Originally Posted by Dafe

John Banks is a keen biker.
He'd be a great one to have on the ride.

I thought his bike got pinched...(?) but yes, he knows how to deal up political jargon. Anyone dropped him a line?

**peasea** · 19th October 2009, 19:14

Originally Posted by klingon

I am totally convinced that November 17th is the day to present the submissions on the steps of parliament (although oddly enough I might not be able to make it to the protest as I will probably be inside the building!

)

Nov 17th is the first available sitting date after submissions close, and (as Ixion has carefully explained above) this is the ideal timing to be able to make our point, while still giving us enough time to organise it.

However, I'm not so keen on the idea of riding to Wellington on the 15th then hanging around until the 17th. I think our energy will be waning by then and our Wellington billets will be strained.

I would prefer to start the regional BIKOIs that weekend, then those who want to will start out for Wellington, timing our arrival for Monday night. Those who can't get time off work can escort the main group as far as they can, toward Wellington, then can still get home on Sunday night for work Monday.

On Tuesday morning the BIKOI group meets at a gathering place in the Wellington region, and aim to present the petition at the Beehive around lunchtime Tuesday.

Sounds like the plan; even though I'm moving house that week I'll cross the water to be there and take leave I haven't got.

Is Nick going to greet us on the steps??

**sunhuntin** · 19th October 2009, 19:24

Originally Posted by klingon

However, I'm not so keen on the idea of riding to Wellington on the 15th then hanging around until the 17th. I think our energy will be waning by then and our Wellington billets will be strained.

i agree here. there is no way in hell i will be allowed the sunday off work, yet i will more than likely be able to swing monday and maybe even tuesday. the sunday start is awesome for those who have a few ks to travel to make wellington, but for those of who are a closer, a monday start would be easier. hell, even a tuesday start would suit, depending on the expected arrival on the beehive doorstep.

so, i will vote for the 3 day option, but wont be there for all 3 days.

**huff3r** · 19th October 2009, 19:26

Originally Posted by sunhuntin

i agree here. there is no way in hell i will be allowed the sunday off work, yet i will more than likely be able to swing monday and maybe even tuesday. the sunday start is awesome for those who have a few ks to travel to make wellington, but for those of who are a closer, a monday start would be easier. hell, even a tuesday start would suit, depending on the expected arrival on the beehive doorstep.

so, i will vote for the 3 day option, but wont be there for all 3 days.

Yeah, i think we have to remember here that even a weekend event will require some people to take time off, I for one know it'd be much easier for me to get time off on a Tuesday then on a Sunday...