Stop bitching and use your brains...

[StoneY]

POINT 1

I might be a whinging Pom based in Australia, but I'm also a New Zealand citizen and therefore entitled to vote and have my say. I've written to the various involved members of the cabinet and written a couple of letters to Newspapers.

There we have it


That this self confessed whinging POM living in OZ is being taken as 'THE SERIOUS' thread is ridiculous.
You might have brought citizenship here (it aint hard I know I was with Immigration for 4 years) but you are NOT HERE so what the hell is your opinion worth?
Flying over to join us camping in Parliament grounds are you?

There's nothing to say farm and dirt bikes WERE included in his figures. Even with those figures they still don't add up.

I have a mate at statistics NZ and he compiles the figures for the ACC reporting to be compared to, and you could not be more mistaken

The database used tags any mention of Motorcycle (including farm bikes and quads) to the dimensions of the reports run to pull the figures.
We have heaps of farm bike and quad accidents rolled into Nick Smiths stats!
It's a Lotus Notes DB btw

Run a separate query on accidents involving ROAD registered bikes the figure shrinks substantially, but those are figures they will lock away and you will never see, and we the public have no access to the Database at all
The only thing we have is the OIA, and even then we are at the mercy of the guy who runs your query as he sets the dimensions to be pulled from the data

POINT 2
Now you asked me what I was doing about it?

I done a lot more so far than you pal

I have had letters read on national TV Current event shows.
(52 blings for that cheers KBers)
I have a meeting set up with my local MP, in person by appointment and 7 other riders are coming with me so he can meet a 'cross section' of OUR community (not Brisbane's see) can you do this for us over there please? Oh...shit yeah your in AUSSIE oops

I have a spare bike to offer to another protest rider from out of town, and will partake in community agreed protest action (once the dust settles and its formalized)

In closing.

I have paid rego's in MY country for 24 years

I stand by my first post in this thread, and I don't care if you lived in Auckland for 8 years, you AINT a Kiwi your a POM

You fucked off to Brisbane to live, this is NOT your fight so I really don't care for your self inflated opinion based on flawed statistics the government have published for mugs like you to take as gospel because its on a dot_govt website. Nor do I care how many KBers flame me to say your an ex pat and a KBer yaself...to me your an ex pat POM and no way your one of my countrymen

I walked Parliaments halls for many a year attending select committee's and such and have more of a clue how this is going to go down than you do
I have far more experience in these issues than some, less than others, and NO thread in this forum is going to have any serious affect at all.

It is what we DO when we decide to get off our asses that counts

The 'SERIOUS THREAD' my ass

StoneY

[StoneY]

Well im sorry but i was comenting on a post made and that post was dividing the acc cost to mc's verses the income from mc's and i was only trying to point out that because i have a car as well and i can only drive one at a time but pay twice on redgo that that should be calculated in but maybe im just thinking a bit far outside the square.

Bloody well said dude

Too many self appointed thread monitors around here
You make a valid point that Sanx wee buddies don't like and get ripped up for it
Stick to ya guns buddy, and it was a good point to raise

[dipshit]

Run a separate query on accidents involving ROAD registered bikes the figure shrinks substantially,

Then how come we see motorcycles broken into two categories, road and sports..???

Road claim costs. Total $413,001,000

Driving Passenger car $208,343,000
Motorcycle $62,545,000
Pedestrian $28,472,000
Truck $15,639,000
Cycling $15,543,000
Bus driver/passenger $1,334,000
ATV $173,000



Sports claim costs. Total $220,152

Rugby Union and rugby league $50,689,000
Motorcycling & Trail biking & motorcross $15,397,000
Netball $11,496,000
Cycling $10,447,000
Swimming $10,055,000

[Malcolm]

POINT 1


*snip*

The 'SERIOUS THREAD' my ass

StoneY

I don't understand why you're attacking this guy as if he's somehow "the enemy"? Just because he doesn't live in NZ it certainly doesn't make his points any less valid. Shit like this is why groups struggle to get organised to make decent, intelligent protests - too much in fighting and arrogant folk who want everything to be done/said their way. Get over it mate.

[Malcolm]

Bloody well said dude

Too many self appointed thread monitors around here
You make a valid point that Sanx wee buddies don't like and get ripped up for it
Stick to ya guns buddy, and it was a good point to raise

I strongly disagree, you've had to pay separate registration fees and ACC levies for ages, why bring that in to the debate? All it does is dilutes the argument for the real issue, which is the ACC levy increase.

While paying multiple fees is equally ridiculous, trying to argue that right now is not going to get us anywhere as it's not the present issue and rather than trying to prevent or alter proposed law changes, you're also trying to take down existing laws/policy (which is a little harder).

[Sanx]

I have a mate at statistics NZ and he compiles the figures for the ACC reporting to be compared to, and you could not be more mistaken

The database used tags any mention of Motorcycle (including farm bikes and quads) to the dimensions of the reports run to pull the figures.
We have heaps of farm bike and quad accidents rolled into Nick Smiths stats!
It's a Lotus Notes DB btw

ACC's own statistics - the ones I quoted - do not include non-registered bikes. Read the ACC webpage referenced in the link I posted with the first post.

Of course though, if a mate down the pub told you differently, obviously that source of information is far more reliable than the official statements of the government departments themselves. As Nick Smith has never said where he got his figures from, your mate is also guessing as to their origin.

But thanks for letting me know it's a Lotus Notes DB. That piece of information was really useful. No, really.

Now you asked me what I was doing about it?

No, I asked you what your bright ideas were. But close enough I guess.

I done a lot more so far than you pal

Congratulations. I humbly admit defeat in this "who's done the most" dick-swinging competition.

I have had letters read on national TV Current event shows.
(52 blings for that cheers KBers)

Yes - I read that letter - full of factual errors, urban myths and diatribe.

I have a meeting set up with my local MP, in person by appointment and 7 other riders are coming with me so he can meet a 'cross section' of OUR community (not Brisbane's see) can you do this for us over there please? Oh...shit yeah your in AUSSIE oops

Your means belonging to you. You're means you are. When writing letters to the press, it might help if you apply the basic rules of English grammar so as you don't end up looking like an ill-educated twat spouting his half-baked opinions born of predjudice, ignorance and stupidity. But - as you said - I'm in Aussie.

I stand by my first post in this thread, and I don't care if you lived in Auckland for 8 years, you AINT a Kiwi your a POM

My passport says differently.

You fucked off to Brisbane to live, this is NOT your fight so I really don't care for your self inflated opinion based on flawed statistics the government have published for mugs like you to take as gospel because its on a dot_govt website. Nor do I care how many KBers flame me to say your an ex pat and a KBer yaself...to me your an ex pat POM and no way your one of my countrymen

If you don't care for my opinion, then don't listen to it. No-one, me included, begged you to read it or to take me seriously. Instead of acting like a petulent nationalistic twerp, either add something to the debate - preferably something with slightly more veracity than 'wot my mate said' - or ignore me.

I walked Parliaments halls for many a year attending select committee's and such and have more of a clue how this is going to go down than you do

Bully for you.

I have far more experience in these issues than some, less than others, and NO thread in this forum is going to have any serious affect at all.

Then why waste your time ranting like a xenophobic imbecile?

[Bonez]

Good effort Sanx. Cutting through the emotive bullshit buts things in perspective.

[Coldrider]

Bloody well said dude

Too many self appointed thread monitors around here
You make a valid point that Sanx wee buddies don't like and get ripped up for it
Stick to ya guns buddy, and it was a good point to raise

StoneY Do not think for one minute that KB and BRONZ are the governing body or voices of the countries motorcyclists, and what you have to say is all that matters.

[MSTRS:Me]

Complusory wearing of specific motorcycle protective gear: I like the gear, i find its comfortable, it is cheap compared to what it was 25 years ago and so much better choice.
I witnessed it save lots of skin and bone last weekend...on a ACC subsidised! rider training weekend at Teratonga....I was impressed.

I think to wear it and think its the bees knees is delusionary as there are so many types of accidents on a motorbike that involves big impacts, it would not matter what you where wearing it would not help, i reckon.

Would you like to stop contradicting yourself? All the gear won't always save your bones etc - we know that - but think of all the painful (and expensive) skingrafts that good gear will render un-necessary, not to mention bone/spine injuries lessened by armour.
The only fact is...GEAR HELPS.

[peasea]

Would you like to stop contradicting yourself? All the gear won't always save your bones etc - we know that - but think of all the painful (and expensive) skingrafts that good gear will render un-necessary, not to mention bone/spine injuries lessened by armour.
The only fact is...GEAR HELPS.

Fourth gear helps, especially when over-taking.

[dpex]

Cyclists:
- 567 active claims
- $12,573,000
- $22,174 per claim

Pedestrians:
- 1115 active claims
- $24,494,000
- $21,967 per claim

Car Occupants:
- 8525 active claims
- $208,305,000
- $24,434 per claim

Motorcyclists:
- 3173 active claims
- $62,523,000
- $19,704 per claim



Excellent report, but what I'd like to know is, how are the costs established? A mate of mine had a quadruple bypass, and that didn't cost $19K!

My guess that a huge proportion of the claim cost is bloody ACC admin.

[dpex]

Cyclists:
- 567 active claims
- $12,573,000
- $22,174 per claim



Furthermore, it is quite clear to me that we are not, as a nation, busting the arses of enough of these pansy cyclists! They're a plague on road decency!

And what about the trauma they cause the sheep population, as they ride by, with every little bulge showing through their slick-wear, and their eyes on the look-out for a pretty sheep?

Farmers! Unite! Burn the Lycra Learers.

[Naki Rat]

Cyclists:
- 567 active claims
- $12,573,000
- $22,174 per claim



Furthermore, it is quite clear to me that we are not, as a nation, busting the arses of enough of these pansy cyclists! They're a plague on road decency!

And what about the trauma they cause the sheep population, as they ride by, with every little bulge showing through their slick-wear, and their eyes on the look-out for a pretty sheep?

Farmers! Unite! Burn the Lycra Learers.

And when they do get their pansy arses busted it costs us in higher ACC levies

[rick750f]

I hope every one is submitting there submission to acc here is the link if you havent.

http://www.acc.co.nz/for-business/le...2011/index.htm

Also let your mp know how you feel to.

for other links go to
http://www.bikersagainstacc.org.nz/whatcan.html

Come on poeple it only takes 1-2 minutes to have your say

[ArcAngellives]

An intelligent piece of levity, Dan!

alright has anyone heard of about 20 years ago they were gonna raise the rego to a grand a year per bike here in nz and the did the right thing thousends of motorcycle desended on parliment for a weekend from all over the country and sat there leaking oil and petrol into the grass (course bikes tended to leak alot more then compared to now ) but all the same.

so fuk this im 21 and iv been riding for 2 years ill be damed if im gonna lose it
so lets go sit on parliment ground people im bringin a bbq